Newspapers searched for Bible John all over the UK
using the composite drawing of the suspect from witnesses
using the composite drawing of the suspect from witnesses
Glasgow Evening Times, Feb 2018
Murders are usually done on known contacts, from anger or hatred, and are fairly spontaneous. 3 Queensland murders this year showed NO knowledge of the victims, endless months of preparation and visible record keeping on the Web. Plus the killers had guns!! Compare with 3 Scottish murders.
I]In Feb 1968 a naked 25-year-old nurse Patricia Docker was in a Glasgow garage. Her body, showing blunt force trauma to the face and head, was close to her home. She’d been strangled and her handbag, watch and clothes were missing. Docker, from nearby Renfrewshire Hospital, had told her parents she’d spend the evening dancing at a ballroom and when she did not return home, her parents weren’t anxious. Yet her postmortem confirmed strangulation. Rigor mortis showed she’d died shortly after leaving Barrowland Ballroom.
II]In Aug 1969 31-year-old Jemima MacDonald danced all evening in Barrowland Ballroom. She attended Barrowland while her sister, Margaret O'Brien, took care of Jemima’s 3 children. MacDonald was seen with a well-dressed tall man, aged 25-35. The well-spoken man had a Glaswegian accent and shared brief biblical quotations with them
When her sister failed to return, O’Brien discovered her sister's battered body in a derelict tenement. A postmortem found MacDonald had been raped and badly beaten on the face, before she was strangled with her stockings. Like Docker, she was menstruating when she died.
Eyewitnesses carefully described MacDonald's man, showing strong similarities between the Docker & MacDonald cases: both women were at Barrowland Ballroom before their murder, were beaten and strangled to death, were menstruating, and had handbags taken from the crime scene
III]In Oct 1969, 29-year-old Helen Puttock was found by a worker behind her flat garden in Glasgow. She was naked, beaten on the face, raped and strangled with her stockings. Her handbag items had been scattered, and there was a deep bite into her thigh. As with the 2 previous victims, Helen had been menstruating at the time of her murder, sanitary pad under her arm.
Puttock and her sister Jean Langford had been to Barrowland Ballroom where they met two men named John, dancing until all four left for home. Jean’s John walked to George Square to board a bus, while the others hailed a taxi and chatted. At home, Langford left Puttock and her John inside the taxi. Langford later told police that her sister's John was a teetotaller who quoted from the Old Testament. John referred to Barrowland as an adulterous den of iniquity, saying he disapproved of married women dancing. Puttock’s John had been a slim, well dressed and tall man with overlapping front teeth, called John Templeton-or-Sempleson-or-Emerson.
Helen Puttock’s murder raised suspicions that all 3 murders had been done by one man. Each victim had been a mother and had met her murderer at Barrowland Ballroom. Each had been escorted home by a man, raped and strangled, and each was menstruating at time of death.
After finding Puttock’s body, a new composite drawing of the suspect was created. Langford saw the earlier image created after Jemima MacDonald’s murder and saw an excellent likeness. 1970 was the first time Scottish police used the photofit system re murder suspects. 100+ detectives worked full-time on the case, 50,000 witness statements were taken, 5,000+ potential suspects were questioned and Langford viewed 300+ identity parades. Officers believed the killer died, been gaoled for other crimes or locked in an asylum. Or he may have left Glasgow.
Barrowland Ballroom, Glasgow
When her sister failed to return, O’Brien discovered her sister's battered body in a derelict tenement. A postmortem found MacDonald had been raped and badly beaten on the face, before she was strangled with her stockings. Like Docker, she was menstruating when she died.
Eyewitnesses carefully described MacDonald's man, showing strong similarities between the Docker & MacDonald cases: both women were at Barrowland Ballroom before their murder, were beaten and strangled to death, were menstruating, and had handbags taken from the crime scene
III]In Oct 1969, 29-year-old Helen Puttock was found by a worker behind her flat garden in Glasgow. She was naked, beaten on the face, raped and strangled with her stockings. Her handbag items had been scattered, and there was a deep bite into her thigh. As with the 2 previous victims, Helen had been menstruating at the time of her murder, sanitary pad under her arm.
Puttock and her sister Jean Langford had been to Barrowland Ballroom where they met two men named John, dancing until all four left for home. Jean’s John walked to George Square to board a bus, while the others hailed a taxi and chatted. At home, Langford left Puttock and her John inside the taxi. Langford later told police that her sister's John was a teetotaller who quoted from the Old Testament. John referred to Barrowland as an adulterous den of iniquity, saying he disapproved of married women dancing. Puttock’s John had been a slim, well dressed and tall man with overlapping front teeth, called John Templeton-or-Sempleson-or-Emerson.
Helen Puttock’s murder raised suspicions that all 3 murders had been done by one man. Each victim had been a mother and had met her murderer at Barrowland Ballroom. Each had been escorted home by a man, raped and strangled, and each was menstruating at time of death.
After finding Puttock’s body, a new composite drawing of the suspect was created. Langford saw the earlier image created after Jemima MacDonald’s murder and saw an excellent likeness. 1970 was the first time Scottish police used the photofit system re murder suspects. 100+ detectives worked full-time on the case, 50,000 witness statements were taken, 5,000+ potential suspects were questioned and Langford viewed 300+ identity parades. Officers believed the killer died, been gaoled for other crimes or locked in an asylum. Or he may have left Glasgow.
victims L to R: Pat Docker, Jemima MacDonald and Helen Puttock
BBC ScotlandDetective Chief Inspector Les Brown spoke to a detective who’d taken a man to a hospital, after arresting him at Barrowland Ballroom in 1968. Although the suspect John White had needed stitches in his head, he fled when his handcuffs opened. But after Detective Brown wrote of his suspicions, the man arrived for a DNA sample. It was negative.
Well after the Bible John killings, some women claimed that they’d been sexually assaulted after leaving Barrowland eg in Apr 1969 Hannah Martin had left the dance hall with a tall man. But during the drive home, the man's sexual aggression left Martin assaulted and raped. She gave birth to a daughter at Glasgow Royal Maternity Hospital in Jan 1970. Was the daughter the one link to the real identity of Bible John?
Peter Tobin was convicted in May 2007 of the murder of Polish student Angelika Kluk who’d been raped, beaten and stabbed to death; The fact that Tobin attacked Kluk so ferociously, hid her body then fled to London prior to his arrest suggested pre-planned work. Also note that Tobin's 3 former wives reported being imprisoned, beaten and raped at his hands; each stated he’d been driven to extreme physical violence by menstruation. NB Tobin was a staunch Catholic; the alias that Bible John gave Jean Langford and Helen Puttock in 1969 was like one of the pseudonyms often used by Tobin: John Semple
NB Tobin relocated from Glasgow to Brighton in Aug 1969 after marrying his first wife, whom he had met at Barrowland Ballroom in 1968. From Aug 1969 Tobin lived in Brighton for 20 years, and from the late 1980s he alternated between both cities. So detectives speculated that convicted serial killer Peter Tobin may have been Bible John, or not.
Criminologist David Wilson investigated Tobin's case for 3 years. He believed Tobin was Bible John during Tobin's trial for the 1991 murder of teenage Dinah McNicol, one of the bodies found in his Margate garden. The evidence included striking similarities between trial testimony from a friend of McNicol's who had been with her on her last night and the conversation with Bible John Langford had had that night.
The Police initiated Operation Anagram in 2006 to trace Tobin’s movements over decades and to determine his potential culpability in other crimes. Not only was Tobin in Brighton when the final two Bible John murders occurred, but Tobin's DNA was checked against the semen sample for Bible John and failed to match.
Well after the Bible John killings, some women claimed that they’d been sexually assaulted after leaving Barrowland eg in Apr 1969 Hannah Martin had left the dance hall with a tall man. But during the drive home, the man's sexual aggression left Martin assaulted and raped. She gave birth to a daughter at Glasgow Royal Maternity Hospital in Jan 1970. Was the daughter the one link to the real identity of Bible John?
Peter Tobin was convicted in May 2007 of the murder of Polish student Angelika Kluk who’d been raped, beaten and stabbed to death; The fact that Tobin attacked Kluk so ferociously, hid her body then fled to London prior to his arrest suggested pre-planned work. Also note that Tobin's 3 former wives reported being imprisoned, beaten and raped at his hands; each stated he’d been driven to extreme physical violence by menstruation. NB Tobin was a staunch Catholic; the alias that Bible John gave Jean Langford and Helen Puttock in 1969 was like one of the pseudonyms often used by Tobin: John Semple
NB Tobin relocated from Glasgow to Brighton in Aug 1969 after marrying his first wife, whom he had met at Barrowland Ballroom in 1968. From Aug 1969 Tobin lived in Brighton for 20 years, and from the late 1980s he alternated between both cities. So detectives speculated that convicted serial killer Peter Tobin may have been Bible John, or not.
Criminologist David Wilson investigated Tobin's case for 3 years. He believed Tobin was Bible John during Tobin's trial for the 1991 murder of teenage Dinah McNicol, one of the bodies found in his Margate garden. The evidence included striking similarities between trial testimony from a friend of McNicol's who had been with her on her last night and the conversation with Bible John Langford had had that night.
The Police initiated Operation Anagram in 2006 to trace Tobin’s movements over decades and to determine his potential culpability in other crimes. Not only was Tobin in Brighton when the final two Bible John murders occurred, but Tobin's DNA was checked against the semen sample for Bible John and failed to match.
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After 2002’s Bible John Murders Review, no further U.K murders were attributed to him, so the manhunt for this 1968 murderer remains open. Hopefully the Qld murders will be understood more quickly. Thank you to Bible John: Creation of a Serial Killer, BBC
After 2002’s Bible John Murders Review, no further U.K murders were attributed to him, so the manhunt for this 1968 murderer remains open. Hopefully the Qld murders will be understood more quickly. Thank you to Bible John: Creation of a Serial Killer, BBC
16 comments:
Thank goodness you noticed.
Gareth Train, the owner of a rural Queensland property where six people were shot and killed, had become deeply entangled in an online conspiracy community, where he posted about a mistrust of police and claims the Port Arthur massacre was a false-flag operation. Gareth appears to have been a prolific poster on an alternative website that posts conspiracy, anti-authoritarian and other articles. He said in one recent post he had been “ark homesteading for the past five years preparing to survive tomorrow”.
The Queensland police commissioner said there had been a lot of ammunition and weaponry at the property at Wieambilla. Did no one see the online threats and conspiracies? Did no one notice the ammunition?
If my daughter had wanted to go to Barrowland Ballroom after the first murder, I would have stopped it or I would have double checked the security inside.
The murders described here are so gruesome and scary. I do not think I want to go out again for a long while
I didn't realise how dangerous ballroom dancing could be.
Unsolved crimes bring no justice.
Ben
I knew after the murders that Gareth was a prolific poster on an alternative website that posts conspiracy, anti-authoritarian and other articles. Of course it was too late to save the victims by then, but did nobody read this appalling material in the months _before_ the murders? Did anyone tell the police about the alternative website material, but the police did nothing about it? Where did the killers get guns and ammunition from?
Deb
Agreed. There was probably no such thing as a security camera in 1968, but they certainly could have put security officers at the front door and in the hall. However after the first murder I would have warmly encouraged my daughter to never ever leave the ballroom with a man she didn't know VERY well. The killer obviously had a mission to cleanse the community of young women who might/would have sex with him.
roentare
What a nightmare *nod*. The killer had the entire city terrified, especially since he targeted young women, used the darkness of night for his crimes, and seemed to be doing the murders in God's name.
Andrew
the ballroom was a perfect pick up spot for victims.. everyone was dancing, loving the music, looking attractive and escaping their parents' supervision. Even in coldish Glasgow, 1968 was a time of fun, freedom and (apparently) sex.
What a horrible set of crimes. It's always fascinating how they do manage to solve crimes - based on new technology - decades after the fact. I hope these crimes are solved and the women given justice
Mandy the mothers, fathers and siblings of the dead girls died from old age and never got the information they needed, let alone justice. But the community still needs to pursue the truth; noone wants to be known as Bible John's hunting ground.
It is a bit like Salem Mass. There isn't a person on the planet who wouldn't immediately think of witch killing.
Boa tarde. Desejo uma quarta-feira com muita saúde e paz. Com votos de um excelente ano novo e um mês de janeiro com muitas conquistas e vitórias.
Luiz
do police or police informants not have access to the dark web and its detailed murder plans/conspiracies?
The thing that puzzles me is how did he know they were menstruating????
mem
Bible John was very skilled in his anti-women behaviour. Not only did he have all the Biblical quotes learned off by heart, but he seemed to be socially appealing to the young vulnerable women he targeted. The survivors said that when he asked them for sex, those who said no because they were menstruating were immediately taken away from the Ballroom.
Enjoyed your history articles. I will follow your blog more.
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thank you for reading about Bible John. The story is still fascinating, 55 years later.
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