Two popes explored the failures and humanity of Benedict & Francis,
Anthony Hopkins (left) and Jonathan Pryce (right)
in Sojourners
I’ve not seen The Two Popes (Nov 2019), so I have quoted two separate film-reviews to spread the issues, both religious and cinematic. Note these reviews were written before Pope Benedict XVI passed away.
Rosa Bruno-Jofre wrote that The Two Popes provided a creative dialogue about God, faith and moral responsibility. The film was a fictionalised encounter between German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI in 2005), and Argentinian Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, (later Pope Francis after Benedict’s resignation in 2013). The film’s appeal had to do with the global character of the Catholic Church.
Argentinian Bruno-Jofre is a Professor of History, focusing on Catholic philosophy, education and the state, and women’s religious teaching orders. How did the film uncover the theological currents underlying the institutional church? The account conveyed a conversation that confronted 2 of many divergent currents in the Catholic Church: a] a reformist one and b] a conservative one that retained the church’s anti-modernist tones before Vatican II (1962-5). This Council faced the Church with C20th social & cultural changes.
In the early 1970s, Latin American theologians developed liberation theology, a perspective that emerged from the oppression in Latin America. This theology nurtured the movement of popular education in the 1970s, but Cardinal Ratzinger was active in undermining liberation theology.
The film referenced Pope Francis’ religious commitment to the poor. It showed the repressive era in Argentina (1976-83) which overlapped with Bergoglio’s time as Superior of the Jesuits in Argentina and Uruguay (1973-79). But then two Jesuit priests were kidnapped by the military, and the Jesuits sent Bergoglio into exile in Cordoba. The film suggested Bergoglio was tormented by his failure to protect the priests.
The film began when the men met in the garden of the papal summer residence, Palace of Castel Gandolfo, and talked about God and the church. The dialogue recreating their positions, and their pasts were beautifully set in both the palace and the Sistine Chapel. The viewer could forget the institutional church’s hierarchical, authoritarian structure, out of tune with a world concerned with rights.
But many Catholics’ conflicted souls were left unhelped by the film regarding eg exclusion of women from ordination, church’s opposition to gay marriage, divorce and contraception. As was the voice of feminist theologians who might have offered powerful embracing of social justice and the environment, focusing on gender, class and race.
Vatican II, which set the stage for openness to change, was resisted by many, including Ratzinger. Even before Vatican II, changes were taking place outside the Vatican walls. A red sea of men, including Cardinal Bergolio, were deciding the future of the Catholic Church. Brazilian Catholic educator Paulo Freire, for example, marked a turning point for critical-minded educators in Latin America, based in the 1960s-70s cultural and social movement. However even today authoritarian church leaders have not achieved a democratisation of the church as an inclusive institution. Of course Pope Francis made a commitment to the poor and to social transformation, as in the film.
So the film’s omissions left the author with a taste of exclusion, a need for a renaissance. She couldn’t locate her spiritual soul in the red sea of well-rounded men, deciding the future of the church.
Peter Bradshaw in Toronto wrote quite a different review of The Two Popes. Anthony Hopkins and Pryce Jonathan found some tremendous actorly form in this humorous, indulgent, sentimental view in this carefully script drama. It became a Pontiff bromance written by Anthony McCarten and directed by Fernando Meirelles.
Argentinian Bruno-Jofre is a Professor of History, focusing on Catholic philosophy, education and the state, and women’s religious teaching orders. How did the film uncover the theological currents underlying the institutional church? The account conveyed a conversation that confronted 2 of many divergent currents in the Catholic Church: a] a reformist one and b] a conservative one that retained the church’s anti-modernist tones before Vatican II (1962-5). This Council faced the Church with C20th social & cultural changes.
In the early 1970s, Latin American theologians developed liberation theology, a perspective that emerged from the oppression in Latin America. This theology nurtured the movement of popular education in the 1970s, but Cardinal Ratzinger was active in undermining liberation theology.
The film referenced Pope Francis’ religious commitment to the poor. It showed the repressive era in Argentina (1976-83) which overlapped with Bergoglio’s time as Superior of the Jesuits in Argentina and Uruguay (1973-79). But then two Jesuit priests were kidnapped by the military, and the Jesuits sent Bergoglio into exile in Cordoba. The film suggested Bergoglio was tormented by his failure to protect the priests.
The film began when the men met in the garden of the papal summer residence, Palace of Castel Gandolfo, and talked about God and the church. The dialogue recreating their positions, and their pasts were beautifully set in both the palace and the Sistine Chapel. The viewer could forget the institutional church’s hierarchical, authoritarian structure, out of tune with a world concerned with rights.
But many Catholics’ conflicted souls were left unhelped by the film regarding eg exclusion of women from ordination, church’s opposition to gay marriage, divorce and contraception. As was the voice of feminist theologians who might have offered powerful embracing of social justice and the environment, focusing on gender, class and race.
Vatican II, which set the stage for openness to change, was resisted by many, including Ratzinger. Even before Vatican II, changes were taking place outside the Vatican walls. A red sea of men, including Cardinal Bergolio, were deciding the future of the Catholic Church. Brazilian Catholic educator Paulo Freire, for example, marked a turning point for critical-minded educators in Latin America, based in the 1960s-70s cultural and social movement. However even today authoritarian church leaders have not achieved a democratisation of the church as an inclusive institution. Of course Pope Francis made a commitment to the poor and to social transformation, as in the film.
So the film’s omissions left the author with a taste of exclusion, a need for a renaissance. She couldn’t locate her spiritual soul in the red sea of well-rounded men, deciding the future of the church.
Peter Bradshaw in Toronto wrote quite a different review of The Two Popes. Anthony Hopkins and Pryce Jonathan found some tremendous actorly form in this humorous, indulgent, sentimental view in this carefully script drama. It became a Pontiff bromance written by Anthony McCarten and directed by Fernando Meirelles.
Pope Francis, left and ex-Pope Benedict, at papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo.
Benedict had been living here since he abdicated,
Channel 4.
It was an entertaining if preposterous vision of past private meetings, between Austrian Pope Benedict XVI and Argentinian Pope Francis. Benedict XVI was considering his sensational decision to retire. But note the discussions were with liberal Cardinal Bergoglio, critic of Benedict’s conservativism. In the real world, Benedict XVI might have been displeased by the Vatican’s choice of successor. But the film strangely suggested that Cardinal Bergoglio had precisely those conservative qualities of worldly compromise that Benedict would have found congenial. But was that ever true, in real life or in the film?
Hopkins was very watchable as Benedict: reactionary, with a piercing hooded-eyed gaze, white hair and an elderly hauteur. The film was at its most successful when it was a duel between the two of them; it got a bit flabby when they warmed up to each other and became an Odd Couple who wound up watching the football together.
Hopkins was very watchable as Benedict: reactionary, with a piercing hooded-eyed gaze, white hair and an elderly hauteur. The film was at its most successful when it was a duel between the two of them; it got a bit flabby when they warmed up to each other and became an Odd Couple who wound up watching the football together.
The child abuse issue which was strongly raised at the film’s beginning, then ignored. There were long black-and-white flashbacks showing Bergoglio’s early life and his anguish at having compromised with Argentina’s brutal 1970s junta regime when he should arguably have been defiant to the point of martyrdom. But there was no balancing flashback scene for Benedict, no scenes of his youth in the Hitler Youth and then the Wehrmacht, and he never answered the Nazi jibe the general public were shown making.
So the witty, detailed performances of Hopkins and Pryce allowed the viewer to believe the film. It was a salutary shock to see real-life footage of the men, especially Ratzinger’s more opaque demeanour.
23 comments:
I love this film and have watched it many times. It is humourous and to be taken with a pinch of salt because of course the conversations are all pure fiction. The humour and fiction are balanced nicely with one or two documentary intervals of both men in a historical context. Pryce and Hopkins are brilliant. It is one of my go to films when I want a relaxing evening.
I would probably not watch this film on the two Popes, as institutionalized religion is not 'my cup of tea'. I'm a great believer in God (not as a religious entity) and respect tradition, though.
I suppose Hopkins performed his role brilliantly, as usual.
I suppose it all depended if the film writers followed Vatican II in the early 1960s. If they were in kindergarten then, the film writers may have read or heard other peoples views when they were older. My parents admired John 23rd most of all.
Rachel,
Excellent! I don't know that I would see a film more than once, even a great film. But I do relive good films when I summarise the plot, write a summary and publish a critique in lectures or blog posts.
Every review I read agreed with you about Pryce and Hopkins; that they were brilliant.
DUTA
It seems that the discussions in Two Popes were not about institutionalised religion; rather they were between two elderly men on personal and religious issues that seemed important to them, looking back over their lives.
I saw Hopkins in Remains of the Day, 84 Charing Cross Road and Shadowlands, and found him to be a great actor.
Eva
Vatican II issued decrees on bishops' duties, ecumenism, Eastern-rite churches, education of and life of priest, missionary activities and the Church’s attitude to other religions. It was inevitable that Vatican II created unities and divisions _way_ after Vatican II ended, including Popes Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis.
Your review made the movie make more sense to me lol. I did watch it but I did not quite get it.
It seems there are more to their frail appearance.
roentare
I saw "Pope Francis: A Man of His Word" which showed Francis' messages presenting his reforms and his answers about death, social justice, immigration, ecology, wealth and poverty, and families. But this was easy. There was only one man, one vision and no differing visions of the Church.
That makes "The Two Popes" harder to understand, but more important to see, in all probability.
I confess (see what I did there) that, whilst being fascinated by the history, and acknowledging that many places (including the UK) seem to lack a moral compass, I find religion in general a massive turnoff. So I started to watch this movie with a certain restlessness and never got into it. Your two reviews suggest I do a bit of homework and try again. Both great actors - of course!
I've resisted this film as I don't think I would enjoy it. However Anthony Hopkins is one of my many favourite actors. I watched The Remains of the Day recently and his performance was brilliant. I had previously enjoyed the book. Theology isn't something that enthralls me...
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Mike
you are clearly not the only person here who never got into the film. It might be that people can deal with fiction easily, and they can usually deal with analyses of real life events. But The Two Popes is neither fact nor fiction... it is an imagined version of their relationship and their interactions.
The Slate review said the movie’s core involved a secret 2012 meeting between Ratzinger (then pope) and Bergoglio (then a cardinal). A disillusioned Bergoglio asked Ratzinger to grant him an early retirement, which Ratzinger considered insubordination, so the two debated dogma. Ratzinger stood for doctrine and tradition while Bergoglio wanted to modernise the church. But this 2012 meeting was completely fictional.
bazza
theology possibly isn't as central to the film as the relationship between two of the most important, albeit elderly men in the world.
But here is a quite separation question. If a person has no spouse, no children, no boss or colleagues and no social friends to go to the local pub with, who do they share real heart to heart discussions with?
I was wondering what language the film would focus on
Cardinal Ratzinger spoke fluent German, English, French and Italian.
Cardinal Bergoglio spoke fluent Spanish and Italian, plus less fluent German, French and Portuguese.
Joe
The National Catholic Reporter said that most of the film's dialogue was in English. Note that both actors had to learn Italian for the film and Pryce learned Spanish for scenes in Argentina.
As you know I am not the least bit religious and I am glad I am not. I would hate to be a progressive Catholic believer with weight of Rome holding everything I believe in back. Can a pope be humanised? Less chance than humanising a Royal.
After this morning's news about a real Catholic dinosaur, the timing of your post is an exquisite coincidence.
Andrew
timing is everything, especially when these blog posts were written years before they were eventually published. You will find this amazing... I went to two church functions of Cardinal Pell, back when he was a Melbourne Bishop!!
Even more amazing, I wrote about the modernist architecture of Brasilia, built during and after WW2. This week, before I published the post, thousands of Brasilian protestors rioted against President Lula, trying to destroy Brasilia's Palacío do Planalto, National Congress and Supreme Court. I bet everyone knows where Brasilia is now :(
bazza
the confessor is there to hear about sin and repentance, both essential tasks.
But by "real heart to heart discussions", I meant travel plans, family, moral priorities, education, politics, religious holidays, literature, even food preferences if they care about them.
I haven't seen this film but will make an effort to see it . It seems to me though that when you add George Pell into the mix that it is the never to be answered universal quandary of two paradigms by which we make moral judgements . Do we defend the institution and the status quo at all costs even if "innocent bystanders "are damaged in the process or do we "brave Up" and go back to the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount and defend the innocent , vulnerable and those less fortunate . I think I know what Jesus would have said . It fascinates me that people of former decision can even call themselves Christian on that basis . They are very selective in their use of Biblical texts from the New Testament, it seems to me . Having said that ,this tension exists in all religions I think and maybe its actually a battle between the ways the human condition expresses itself ?
mem
if approximately half the Catholic world was in the doctrine and Biblical tradition, and the other half was for religious, social & cultural modernity, conflict was always inevitable. Although I knew about the conflict in theory, it was not until a world-shaking event like Vatican II that our generation started paying close attention.
So the writers and directors of The Two Popes were taking a real risk, presenting the conflict in the flesh so to speak. Did either of the two men respond to the film?
The Rome posts from the blog are interesting.
Daroscomvn
I am glad you enjoyed the Two Popes article. Just remind me what the Rome posts were.
The movie is available on Netflix.
I watched it when it came out and find these reviews quite accurate
Dabas
thanks... I have finally decided to get the film and watch it.
I was very familiar with the Western Schism when the Catholic Church recognised the Roman popes as the legitimate line from 1378-1409. Then came the Pisan popes from 1409-15. Meanwhile all Avignon popes after 1378 were called Anti-popes. I found that history unsettling, even though the events in The Two Popes had nothing whatsoever to do with the Western Schism.
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