Joan was inaugurated as Pope, year?
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Note the first direct historical mention of Joan appeared c300 years after she lived! At the height of the myth’s popularity, ?fabricated relics were prized items, suggesting a possibility that a devious craftsman made fake coins referencing the female pope. Looking at coins attributed to Pope John VIII, (r872-82), Smithsonian’s Meilan Solly and Marguerite Spycher found those minted earlier bore a different monogram than those minted at his reign’s end. Spycher analysed papal monograms displayed on medieval silver coins to determine if they revealed any physical evidence for Joan’s reign. She found clues about Joan and although a lot of this information has been wiped from history, there was new evidence eg coinage with monographs for each Pope. The church couldn’t easily remove coins.
Chroniclers of the Middle Ages reported stories, inscriptions and statues, building Pope Joan legends. But the name Joan was not fully adopted until the C14th; other names commonly given were Agnes or Gilberta.
A statue in Rome supposedly of Pope Johanna.
Siena Cathedral,
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The concept that a woman could lead the church entirely contradicted church doctrine and tradition; the Holy See was run exclusively by men. And after Pope Joan, the church introduced a ritual that every new elected pope had to sit on a special toilet chair and checked for male genitalia!! Of all popes, the male-female split has been 267 to 0. But that did not stop the medieval story.
From the first bishop of Rome, St Peter onwards, all Catholic Church heads had been men. Any baptised Catholic man could become pope; that was already an obstacle to any woman from being chosen, but women's task got harder. The process of electing a pope came with a lot of tradition and custom, and the last man to be voted in without being a cardinal first was Urban VI (1378-89). So whoever became the pontiff climbed up the church into the College of Cardinals. Not women! The Church officially accepted Pope Joan’s rule 855-8 AD, calling John VIII a historical fact. But NB the 400-year gap between when she sat as pope to the first written record.
More details about a female pontiff came from two C13th Dominicans in the Chronicle of the Diocese of Mets France by Jean de Mailly and On the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit by French Dominican Stephen of Bourbon. These were the first details of the Pope Joan myth. A woman was elected by posing as a man, and the truth of her identity came out. The nameless pontiff was a clever scribe who became a papal notary and later was elected pope; pregnant at her election. She gave birth in her public procession from St Peter’s Cathedral to the Lateran in 858 AD, where she was dragged out of Rome, unmasked and stoned to death. Or she died in childbirth and was buried on the spot. Soon the story appeared in literature eg works of Benedictine chronicler Ranulf Higden, humanist Giovanni Boccaccio and scholar Petrarch. See Boccaccio’s Concerning Famous Women, 1361, collection of biographies.
From the first bishop of Rome, St Peter onwards, all Catholic Church heads had been men. Any baptised Catholic man could become pope; that was already an obstacle to any woman from being chosen, but women's task got harder. The process of electing a pope came with a lot of tradition and custom, and the last man to be voted in without being a cardinal first was Urban VI (1378-89). So whoever became the pontiff climbed up the church into the College of Cardinals. Not women! The Church officially accepted Pope Joan’s rule 855-8 AD, calling John VIII a historical fact. But NB the 400-year gap between when she sat as pope to the first written record.
More details about a female pontiff came from two C13th Dominicans in the Chronicle of the Diocese of Mets France by Jean de Mailly and On the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit by French Dominican Stephen of Bourbon. These were the first details of the Pope Joan myth. A woman was elected by posing as a man, and the truth of her identity came out. The nameless pontiff was a clever scribe who became a papal notary and later was elected pope; pregnant at her election. She gave birth in her public procession from St Peter’s Cathedral to the Lateran in 858 AD, where she was dragged out of Rome, unmasked and stoned to death. Or she died in childbirth and was buried on the spot. Soon the story appeared in literature eg works of Benedictine chronicler Ranulf Higden, humanist Giovanni Boccaccio and scholar Petrarch. See Boccaccio’s Concerning Famous Women, 1361, collection of biographies.
She gave birth during a procession in Rome
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Chronicle of Popes and Emperors, a C13th text by Polish Dominican monk Martinus Polonus created the best known details of Pope Joan’s narrative. Polonus wrote many details, from Joan’s birthplace to the length of her reign and place in the pontificate timeline, but was he sceptical of the truth? Chronicle of the Popes and Emperors claimed she was English who travelled to Athens with a lover, then headed to Rome. Martin dated the election in 855 and named her Joan! She’d fallen in love with an English Benedictine monk, dressed as a man and escorted him to Athens. Acquiring learning, she moved to Rome and became cardinal and pope. The story was widely spread in this Chronicle.
Joan’s story was accepted as fact by the 1415 Council of Constance. Scholars like the man who became Pope Pius II and Cardinal Caesar Baronius said the story was fake.
Yet Pope Joan’s bust was placed alongside the other pontiffs at Siena Cathedral. During the Reformation, as Protestants looked to undermine Catholic authority, her name was cited and used for Protestant arguments. Note reformer Jan Hus referred to Joan during his trial at Council of Constance 1415, rebutting the infallibility of the papacy. Until the C16th, suspicious were raised re the truth of Pope Joan eg by French jurist Florimond de Raemond and Italian friar Onofrio Panvinio.
The Calvinist David Blondel is credited with the most thorough debunking of the story with his 1647 work Whether a Woman has been Seated on the Papal Throne in Rome. Pope Clement VIII (1592-1605) had already removed her from official list of popes. But far from ending it, new life was breathed into the story for centuries.
Most historians and the modern Catholic Church dismissed the female pope. Southern Methodist University medieval scholar Valerie Hotchkiss suggested that medieval monks told exaggerated accounts of Joan’s life to each other. The implications of Joan’s story revealed much about the early church’s dismissive attitude toward women.
Yet the evidence refuting Joan's existence added up. There was no source outside of the Catholic Church, until the Protestant Reformation references the existence of a female pope. Even the enemies of the Church seem silent on this, despite the perfect opportunity to denounce Catholicism. It’s not surprising that her legend still has staying power today: a alluring tale, turning a system of rigid oppression on its head to a brilliant woman who equalled her male colleagues. It might well have been Pope Joan who reigned under the title of John VIII for c25 months, between the reigns of St Leo IV & Benedict III.
Joan’s story was accepted as fact by the 1415 Council of Constance. Scholars like the man who became Pope Pius II and Cardinal Caesar Baronius said the story was fake.
Yet Pope Joan’s bust was placed alongside the other pontiffs at Siena Cathedral. During the Reformation, as Protestants looked to undermine Catholic authority, her name was cited and used for Protestant arguments. Note reformer Jan Hus referred to Joan during his trial at Council of Constance 1415, rebutting the infallibility of the papacy. Until the C16th, suspicious were raised re the truth of Pope Joan eg by French jurist Florimond de Raemond and Italian friar Onofrio Panvinio.
The Calvinist David Blondel is credited with the most thorough debunking of the story with his 1647 work Whether a Woman has been Seated on the Papal Throne in Rome. Pope Clement VIII (1592-1605) had already removed her from official list of popes. But far from ending it, new life was breathed into the story for centuries.
Most historians and the modern Catholic Church dismissed the female pope. Southern Methodist University medieval scholar Valerie Hotchkiss suggested that medieval monks told exaggerated accounts of Joan’s life to each other. The implications of Joan’s story revealed much about the early church’s dismissive attitude toward women.
Yet the evidence refuting Joan's existence added up. There was no source outside of the Catholic Church, until the Protestant Reformation references the existence of a female pope. Even the enemies of the Church seem silent on this, despite the perfect opportunity to denounce Catholicism. It’s not surprising that her legend still has staying power today: a alluring tale, turning a system of rigid oppression on its head to a brilliant woman who equalled her male colleagues. It might well have been Pope Joan who reigned under the title of John VIII for c25 months, between the reigns of St Leo IV & Benedict III.
Nursing her healthy baby
Nuremberg Chronicle, 1493
Lots of popes followed their own rules. There have been at least 4 Popes who were legally married before taking Holy Orders: St Hormisdas (514–23), Adrian II (867–72), John XVII (1003) and Clement IV (1265–8). The legitimate children of John XVII and Clement IV all entered religious orders. Celibacy seemed voluntary; the most promiscuous Pope was ?Alexander VI (1492-1503), who had c10 illegitimate children. So it was easy for me to believe that Pope Joan was a woman dressed as a man in the cardinals’ conclave, summoned for elections. While most historians believed Pope Joan was a myth, invented by early critics of the Catholic Church, her story cannot be ignored. Heaps of stories, modern books and film, have immortalised her.
Read The outrageous heretical legend of Pope Joan, 2018 by Jonny Wilkes, and a long reading list from Academia
Read The outrageous heretical legend of Pope Joan, 2018 by Jonny Wilkes, and a long reading list from Academia





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Pope Joan by Donna Woolfolk Cross.
Questions
How important is it to this story to believe in its historicity? Are there lessons to be learned from Joan’s story, whether it’s legend or fact?
What implications does Joan’s story have with regard to the role of women in the Catholic Church? Should nuns play a greater or different role? If so, what should that role be? Should women be priests? What effect would women priests have on the Church and its liturgy? What effect have they had on the Episcopal Church?
Hus was a Czech theologian who preached actively against Roman Church abuses of the late 14th and early 15th centuries. Hus called for a higher level of morality among the priesthood - no financial abuses, sexual immorality or drunkenness. No wonder he was happy to discuss Pope Joan at the Council of Constance and the Council did not challenge Hus in return.
Fascinating story and one I'd not heard before.
I've never heard any of this before and find it quite fascinating. Also ,How crazy that a Pope had 10 illegitimate children. All was very interesting.
Boa quarta-feira. Já ouvi também uma história dessa Papisa. Obrigado pela aula de história.
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many thanks. "Are there lessons to be learned from Joan’s story, whether it’s legend or fact", is the key question.
The roles of women in the Catholic Church have never been clarified and agreed upon to the satisfaction of religious and learned women. I suspect the more denial of stories like Pope Joan continue, the less the key questions about women in the Church will be satisfactorily answered.
Student
I clearly understood why the Catholic Church would want to vigorously deny a female getting into the College of Cardinals, let alone becoming Pope. But it didn't really occur to me why in and after the Reformation, Protestants would be keen to promote the story of Pope Joan.
They wanted to use evidence (true or otherwise) to stress the high level of immorality in the Catholic hierarchy, comparing it to the more moral Protestant religions. Hus may have come very early in the Reformation, but he knew exactly what Catholic women cardinals and illegitimate papal children meant.
jabblog
read the novel called "Pope Joan" by Donna Woolfolk Cross, 1996. If you find it silly, then don't pursue the topic any further. If you are intrigued, there are heaps of serious histories to follow up.
gluten Free
Pope Alexander VI certainly did have many _openly_ illegitimate children. You will know Cesare, Juan, and Lucrezia Borgia, fathered by his mistress Vannozza Catanei. And plenty of others you may not know about.
Read "The Popes Who Were Not Chaste" in medium.com
Luiz
Me too. Even if Joan was never a Pope and even if she never had a baby in a parade, I totally believe that she was caught behaving in some sort of radical episode. Otherwise the Church would never have tried to silence the story for hundreds of years
Our grammar school Penguin mentioned nary a word about this. If true, it goes a long way toward explaining why the girl-bulliers splintered off with Mohammed.
The legend of Pope Joan endures because it intertwines mystery, rebellion, and faith, challenging the boundaries of history and belief with the enduring question of whether truth or symbolism holds greater power.
I am sure it is a mystery that won't be solved. Perhaps the speculation has only lasted as long because vested interests pushed the story along.
Hank
me too. I learned a lot of history at school and then at university, but I don't remember Pope Joan ever being mentioned. Everyone who knows of Pope Joan seems to have run into her story in modern novels and films.
roentare
that is certainly true with people carefully reading history without pre-conceptions. But intertwining history with religious or political commitment changes the way people search for evidence and how they process what they find. Symbolism hold very great power.
Andrew
I would say the same thing about religion and politics. If you see a President say he can rule for a third term without breaking the law, you may suggest that he is going to change the law .. or he doesn't care about how Parliament responds. Vested interests are often more telling than we expect.
I had heard of Pope Joan before through novels and a film. Having a Catholic background I would believe the majority of stories about immorality within the Catholic church.
Interesting Hels. Have heard of her but we still don't know if she was a fictious person or not.
Fun60,
I am not Catholic, but I find the entire question of morality belonging to one particular religious community as terrible. There have been cases of celibacy being breached everywhere, of illegitimacy being publicly celebrated and now a woman faking her way into the Vatican. If there was a Pope Joan, she deserved our admiration.
Margaret
I don't know that the truth will every be revealed. But I do think that the Christian world still has a lot to learn from the experiences of the 850s and on.
What a fascinating post. I'm not Catholic nor up on this history of the church, but I can't imagine a legend went on that long with some but of truth to it. Perhaps a Spanish pope that had the name Joan which was not a female name after all?
Happy birthday to your husband today. It would have been fun to share a little cake with you to celebrate my and your husband's birthdays.
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