English and German fans crowd outside the turnstiles
White Hart Lane, 1935
History Today
Despite the War To End All Wars/WW1 and despite tension rising between the countries, Britain maintained strong links with Germany; visits between sports clubs and societies were common. German-English football has been important since the 2 nations played their first full international in Berlin in 1930. I don’t remember the 1935 game so I have repeated Olive Price’s journal article closely.
In Dec 1935 England played Germany at White Hart Lane Stadium in North London, home of Tottenham Hotspur FC, winning 3-0. The fixture was contentious because by late 1935 the Nazi Party had been in power for nearly 3 years; Germany was considered in some British governmental ministries as a potential enemy. And weeks before the German team travelled to London, the German Reichstag passed the ugly Nuremberg Laws
The British Anti-Nazi Council and Trade Union Congress-TUC lobbied the Football Association-FA and the government to cancel the game. Concerns were heightened because it had the potential to be used as a political demonstration by the Nazi government. Unease grew after it was said that thousands of German fans would follow their team to UK. These fans were planning a march through Jewish residential areas in London eg Stamford Hill before the match, wearing Nazi badges. The British government avoided involvement, arguing that it was a private affair organised by private officials. It would not intervene unless the match led to a breach of the peace.
The British Anti-Nazi Council and Trade Union Congress-TUC lobbied the Football Association-FA and the government to cancel the game. Concerns were heightened because it had the potential to be used as a political demonstration by the Nazi government. Unease grew after it was said that thousands of German fans would follow their team to UK. These fans were planning a march through Jewish residential areas in London eg Stamford Hill before the match, wearing Nazi badges. The British government avoided involvement, arguing that it was a private affair organised by private officials. It would not intervene unless the match led to a breach of the peace.
German footballers sing their national anthem and give Nazi salute,
White Hart Lane London 1935,
Mirror
In the build-up to the match, England’s Jewish Chronicle regretted that a game would be played against a dangerous country. But the paper was largely alone in its alarm; much of the popular press welcomed the fixture and criticised those who wanted it cancelled. The Evening News stated if German football enthusiasts want to cheer on the German team by waving Swastikas, let them wave. Daily Mail warmly welcomed the German team and criticised the TUC!
In Dec 1935 the German team flew in. German officials explained to waiting journalists that they were not interested in the politics of the game. German coach Otto Nerz informed reporters that they had no association with the German government; they came for the game alone.
Thousands of German fans did follow the team to London, avoiding trouble. Before the game, some of them laid a wreath at the Cenotaph to honour Britain’s WW1 dead and others were given guided bus tours of London. Some of the guides were German-Jewish refugees who’d moved to UK.
Before kick-off there were small protests near White Hart Lane, but neither the rumoured Fascist marches nor large anti-Nazi demonstrations materialised. The only incident came when a spectator climbed onto the West Stand roof and cut down the rope holding a swastika flag. He was arrested and the flag was quickly re-raised.
Both national anthems were played before the game and the German fans gave the Nazi salute for each. German fans waved hundreds of small swastika flags at exciting moments, but the actual game-time gave them very little optimism; England comfortably won. The German players were amateurs, with a butcher, cobbler and some clerks; and German team officials had admitted to the British press that they were certain to lose. Yet the game was played in a good spirit, with the Daily Mirror even remarking: Doesn’t sport reconcile, doesn’t it bring nations together; can’t we kill war with perpetual football?
Post-match, the FA invited their German counterparts to dinner at London’s Victoria Hotel. F.A president Sir George Clegg apologised to the German party for pre-match protests and criticised the TUC for interfering. Toasts were offered around the room, including to Adolf Hitler.
In Dec 1935 the German team flew in. German officials explained to waiting journalists that they were not interested in the politics of the game. German coach Otto Nerz informed reporters that they had no association with the German government; they came for the game alone.
Thousands of German fans did follow the team to London, avoiding trouble. Before the game, some of them laid a wreath at the Cenotaph to honour Britain’s WW1 dead and others were given guided bus tours of London. Some of the guides were German-Jewish refugees who’d moved to UK.
Before kick-off there were small protests near White Hart Lane, but neither the rumoured Fascist marches nor large anti-Nazi demonstrations materialised. The only incident came when a spectator climbed onto the West Stand roof and cut down the rope holding a swastika flag. He was arrested and the flag was quickly re-raised.
Both national anthems were played before the game and the German fans gave the Nazi salute for each. German fans waved hundreds of small swastika flags at exciting moments, but the actual game-time gave them very little optimism; England comfortably won. The German players were amateurs, with a butcher, cobbler and some clerks; and German team officials had admitted to the British press that they were certain to lose. Yet the game was played in a good spirit, with the Daily Mirror even remarking: Doesn’t sport reconcile, doesn’t it bring nations together; can’t we kill war with perpetual football?
Post-match, the FA invited their German counterparts to dinner at London’s Victoria Hotel. F.A president Sir George Clegg apologised to the German party for pre-match protests and criticised the TUC for interfering. Toasts were offered around the room, including to Adolf Hitler.
excited German football fans give Nazi salute,
White Hart Lane London 1935,
History Today
The visit may have been used for propaganda purposes by the Nazis. But the swastika probably did not have the same shock value then, and in any case Britain had its own far-right party, The British Union of Fascists/BUF under Fascist Oswald Mosley, claimed 50,000 members. The BUF never used the swastika; as an ultra nationalist movement, it used the union jack instead. The British Establishment was ready to give Hitler the benefit of the doubt, as seen in appeasement speeches.
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Now let me, Helen, note that in Sept 1935, Germany’s Nuremberg race laws prohibited sexual relations between Jews and persons of German/related blood. The first camps were already built, although with no gas chambers yet; the first political and religious protesters were already removed from their families; and minorities groups were already persecuted. Did the British Government and the F.A not know? Or did they not care?
The match had been arranged without the British Government's involvement. As for threats to London’s large Jewish community, Tottenham's Weekly Herald wrote the extent of the Spurs Jewish fans was often overstated. Yet the Herald admitted that horrified letters had been sent to Spurs from individual Jews and Jewish organisations. A boycott was suggested and protests threatened. Spurs simply forwarded the letters to the FA, reminding them that it was their responsibility to keep order. Intensive police precautions WERE taken to prevent disorder in and out of the stadium, but the 1000 police found nothing. In fact Jewish protests in the Weekly Herald won little sympathy from the general British public who resented introducing politics into sport.
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Now let me, Helen, note that in Sept 1935, Germany’s Nuremberg race laws prohibited sexual relations between Jews and persons of German/related blood. The first camps were already built, although with no gas chambers yet; the first political and religious protesters were already removed from their families; and minorities groups were already persecuted. Did the British Government and the F.A not know? Or did they not care?
The match had been arranged without the British Government's involvement. As for threats to London’s large Jewish community, Tottenham's Weekly Herald wrote the extent of the Spurs Jewish fans was often overstated. Yet the Herald admitted that horrified letters had been sent to Spurs from individual Jews and Jewish organisations. A boycott was suggested and protests threatened. Spurs simply forwarded the letters to the FA, reminding them that it was their responsibility to keep order. Intensive police precautions WERE taken to prevent disorder in and out of the stadium, but the 1000 police found nothing. In fact Jewish protests in the Weekly Herald won little sympathy from the general British public who resented introducing politics into sport.
But it wasn’t only English supporters in the stadium: c20,000 German supporters accompanied the team! Note the invasion by thousands of German supporters excited the most media interest, not the football. Heaps of cross-Channel steamers advertised intensely for German fans, followed by London-bound trains and buses.
While the two teams and officials enjoyed a post-match feast, thousands of German visitors were hurried back on to trains for the return journey. By late that night they’d vanished from London, sent on their way by a flood of protests at Victoria Station. Yet British fans who were arrested were all working class and mostly socialist demonstrators. Many had all served recent prison sentences for anti-Nazi protests eg pinning offensive and insulting literature at Victoria Station! Shame Britain shame!
24 comments:
As I read this all I could think was WOW, what a time.
Some people could see the writing on the wall others either couldn't see it or chose to think it wasn't something to be concerned about. I did not know anything about the events of the post which made it all the more an interesting read.
Very interesting read.
I wasn't aware of this football match. I think it was right to go ahead.
It's also not surprising that people salute their leader during the national anthem.
As you say, after that the games went smoothly.
Interesting read Hel. Probably all the players and officials never thought a word about anything but the game.
A match during stressful times but without the after match vicious brawling that goes on these days? Modern fans should be ashamed of themselves.
You say the British government avoided getting involved in all these events, arguing that it was a private affair back in 1935. The government would not intervene unless the match led to a breach of the peace.
Can you imagine today if Nazi swastikas and salutes were done today in public here. Thankfully the Australian legislation makes it unlawful to perform the Nazi salute in public or to publicly display, or trade in, Nazi hate symbols,
Jo-Anne
yes... understanding history is always more reliable when we are using hindsight. In 1935 few people would have predicted that WW2 was both inevitable and imminent. Even as late as 1938, the British Government only seriously started to prepare for WW2 by building new warships and armament factories. So people could not see the writing on the wall back in 1935 .
Liam
I too think that sport unifies the world, at least before and after world wars. Art, music and climate control might also bring people together, but sport appeals to far more ordinary citizens in every country. I would certainly have encouraged the soccer match go ahead but since the Nazi Party had been in power for years, I would have the team and its staff sign an agreement to not offend Britain with Nazi symbols.
River
I too have seen post-match brawls going on, at least on the tv news. But I don't understand if the participants are adult men being racists and drunkards, or teens having a hissy fit. Do modern fans think they can change the final scores by brawling?
LMK
look up Counter-Terrorism Legislation Amendment (Prohibited Hate Symbols) Bill 2023 through the Federal Parliament that sent a clear message: there is no place in Australia for acts and symbols that glorify the horrors of the Holocaust and terrorist acts.
What a shame this legislation didn't come in many decades ago.
Australian knowledge of the lead up to WWII is lacking, mine included. This was interesting, very interesting. I am doubtful about tales of 'I knew nuffin'. I agree with your remark to River, why wasn't legislation in place a couple of decades ago. Symbols were just as strong twenty or more years ago as they were last year.
Andrew
symbols are _meant_ to be powerful! It would have been ridiculous to send a paid army of 200,000 men in uniforms into the football game, but the same sense of fear was achieved by 20,000 men going sieg heil in unison.
Certainly the police said intensive precautions were taken to prevent disorder in and out of the stadium, but I have seen no evidence that the police took the risks seriously.
Margaret
it seems clear that the players in both teams just wanted to get on with the game, preferably to win it *nod*.
But there were strong suggestions that the German football officials were closely advised by _their_ government about what they were to say when they landed in Britain and how they were to behave. The German newspaper men may or may not have been briefed... I didn't see any evidence.
Major sport events, and musical events such as the Eurovision contest, have become a threat to world peace and order. Sadly, authorities in the various countries, lack any lawful and practical power to prevent and supress the threats.
DUTA
I find it sadly ironic that the old areas of shared passion (eg sport, music) are the very events that now open us up to violence. But I am not sure if the relevant authorities don't have the power to protect individuals and communities, or don't choose to use their powers.
Thanks for the well written article!!
I was not aware of these facts.
I really wonder where such hatred from man to man comes from!
Katerina
I think at the time anyone who read a newspaper would have been aware of the very worrying events, but two things reduced its significance in the years after:
1] The British Union of Fascists under Oswald Mosley, was already growing rapidly and seriously worrying the rest of Britain
2] The impact of World War Two soon after the White Hart Lane events took total attention away from "mere" Nazi symbols in London.
Great blog
Boa tarde e um excelente domingo. Bom início de semana minha querida amiga. Excelente matéria e aula de história. Confesso que dá muito medo. Será que não caminhamos para um terceira? Espero que não.
Rajani
thank you. Are you as interested in British history as I am?
Luiz
it feels like it :(
But surely we study history closely in order to learn from it.
The Nazi symbol and party proved to be frightening. who would have known the extent of their damage? . I read a lot of historical fiction about WWII . Thanks for the post. Very Interesting
Gluten
That is so true. We were only aware of the gas chambers etc.. a number of years AFTER the Nazis came to power. History in hindsight is much more informative.
A dark time in history indeed. Reading your article, I couldn't help but see the parallels to the racist football firms of the 60s-90s and continuing racism today.
My friend told me how the local Jamaican population near Millwall hid in their houses on match days, not daring to go outside less they be assaulted or worse.
I imagine a significant number of England fans welcomed the Nazis and hoped for a similar movement here.
There is a superb exhibition in Berlin that details the rise of the Nazi party. It's quite an intense experience to walk through and goes into detail about what the world knew about mounting Nazi atrocities in the period 1933 onwards. See Berlin 1933–1945. Between propaganda and terror
Mandy
the 1935 international football match was possibly too early before WW2 started for British citizens to really believe that Nazism could wipe out millions of Europeans. But the parallels to the racist football experiences of the 60s-90s and continuing racism today that we all saw were unbelievable. Was there a single citizen in Britain (and elsewhere in Europe) who did not know about Nazi gas chambers and mass murders AFTER WW2?
Thank goodness Berlin has detailed the rise of the Nazi party, going into detail about what the world knew about Nazism and chose to ignore.
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