tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post930701652700212904..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: American princess, British aristocracy - the Kennedy tragedyHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-73856593567692259042017-02-07T20:53:57.877+11:002017-02-07T20:53:57.877+11:00mem
If my son wanted to marry someone I thought w...mem<br /><br />If my son wanted to marry someone I thought was violent or alcoholic or drug addicted, I would ask him to think long and hard about the decision. But to cut off the mother-child relationship is so counter-productive, it would be insane. I would be the heart broken loser :( Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-54991935034570077032017-02-07T20:46:17.813+11:002017-02-07T20:46:17.813+11:00Viola
I am not so keen on the concept of monarchy...Viola<br /><br />I am not so keen on the concept of monarchy for us, but it strikes me as fascinating that the Kennedy family is thought of royalty in the USA. Thus I found "The True Story of Kick Kennedy, JFK's Forgotten Sister and the Heir to Chatsworth" to be terrific. Of course it must feel really VERY invasive for every generation of the Kennedys :(<br /><br />You are correct about Joe Snr. Because he was so fanatic about promoting the political careers of his older sons _at any cost_, I probably underestimated his support for Kathleen.<br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-81152527598192575002017-02-06T17:46:32.773+11:002017-02-06T17:46:32.773+11:00oh its still going on . I have a friend who is hav...oh its still going on . I have a friend who is having a nervous breakdown because her daughter is engaged to a man who loves her , is supportive of her chronic illness, is financially very secure and generous . Why , because he happens to be Muslim! My best friend married a divorced man when she was in her early 30s . Her mother refused to come to the wedding and made her father stay away as well. All this because her priest ( catholic) told her to. This priest was later defrocked for abusing children . I hope that stupid woman had some regrets and apologized to her daughter on bended knees but I doubt it.memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520080648914042943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-37470083079461108002017-02-06T17:06:42.331+11:002017-02-06T17:06:42.331+11:00I just want to add another comment. Joe was pretty...I just want to add another comment. Joe was pretty awful, but according to the book, he was a sympathetic father - to Kathleen, at least.Violahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08046603677301666579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-59268484601622461652017-02-06T17:05:09.195+11:002017-02-06T17:05:09.195+11:00Thank you so much, Hels. I am glad that my blog in...Thank you so much, Hels. I am glad that my blog inspired you to write such an interesting post about Kathleen. I am sorry that this has taken me so long - we have been in Sydney and busy.<br />I will certainly include a link to your post in my review!Violahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08046603677301666579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-1224817267182057392017-02-03T12:39:32.960+11:002017-02-03T12:39:32.960+11:00Chris
I think the Devonshires found Kathleen ener...Chris<br /><br />I think the Devonshires found Kathleen energetic and vivacious. Of course they didn't like her Catholicism but the American daughter-in-law remained close to her late husband's family until her death in the plane crash.<br /><br />In 2014 a later Duchess of Devonshire was laid to rest with great dignity, right alongside the grave of Kathleen Kennedy.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-54761081067844802322017-02-03T10:14:10.141+11:002017-02-03T10:14:10.141+11:00Did the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire admire Kath...Did the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire admire Kathleen? They seemed to treat her respectfully.ChrisMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-8931202986397674272017-02-02T14:33:50.021+11:002017-02-02T14:33:50.021+11:00Cherry
Absolutely so! I had a relative who was an...Cherry<br /><br />Absolutely so! I had a relative who was an important judge and a fall-down drunk. His clerks used to brief him QUICKLY early each morning before the booze had addled his brain by 8.30 AM.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-14313827024357479782017-02-02T14:30:01.059+11:002017-02-02T14:30:01.059+11:00Annie
of all the issues you raise, let me focus o...Annie<br /><br />of all the issues you raise, let me focus on the Special Olympics (for athletes with intellectual disabilities) which I knew very little about. Eunice Kennedy Shriver was very close to her sister Rosemary but thought that her father, and the wider community, treated people with intellectual disabilities badly. Bless her heart! Shriver believed that if people with intellectual disabilities were given the same chances in life that average people had, they could achieve success and happiness as well.<br /><br />Eunice had been working on her beloved project years before the first International Special Olympics Summer Games were held in Chicago in 1968. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-80883592560923461952017-02-02T12:49:50.204+11:002017-02-02T12:49:50.204+11:00There was a lot of tragedy in that family, all ver...There was a lot of tragedy in that family, all very publicly displayed.<br /><br />At that time I am sure lots of families out of the limelight suffered similar tragedies due to the war and the divide between Catholic and Protestant.<br /><br />There are a few tales in my family history, so I expect it is repeated in others too.CherryPiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11788084724907992076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-76071434343268062162017-02-02T11:06:09.721+11:002017-02-02T11:06:09.721+11:00The Kennedys Of Camelot would most certainly not h...The Kennedys Of Camelot would most certainly not have survived socio-politically if we had had Twitter when Joe was running things. I have a book 'Gloria & Joe' about his Gloria Swanson phase. What a hypocrite to think his daughter's potential for an ex-nuptial pregnancy would harm his political ambitions. USA overlooked all trumps adulteries.<br />Our Billy Hughes PM had a daughter shipped off to London where a child was born without fanfare here. Women always left holding the engorged abdomen while the inseminators slip away to repeat their crime on another dumb girl.<br />Trump is on record saying very bad stuff about that poor boy of his, conceived when Donster was 60. However, the cost of asperger's medication is thousands of dollars a month in the US and that at least [is what I suspect] has Donster sicced onto BigPharma. we shall all benefit from that I hope.<br />Brit royals are known to have stashed some NQR children behind nursery doors with Nanny.<br />Ethel Kennedy did found The Special Olympics, I suppose that was some kind of Catholic contrition.Ann ODynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01159263330547329077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-29079584143580157292017-02-01T14:02:37.602+11:002017-02-01T14:02:37.602+11:00peppy
we may be related :) My husband's name ...peppy<br /><br />we may be related :) My husband's name is Peppa in Czech.<br /><br />Re family skeletons, I agree totally. I suppose it depends on how vigorously the family try to defend their unblemished honour in public or how they destroy the black sheep family member who did the blemishing. Think of the Guggenheim family with unexplained deaths all over the place. It must have been terrible for them but no individual black sheep was hidden away in perpetuity.Helshttp://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-43507848234245022472017-02-01T13:31:30.387+11:002017-02-01T13:31:30.387+11:00Isn't it amazing all the so called things (ite...Isn't it amazing all the so called things (items in the closet) about one family. Sure we're not rich as the Kennedy or most us never had the life they held.<br />But I bet all of us have family skeleton in closet.<br />Anyhow religion sure does a lot damage in our society.<br /><br />Coffee is onpeppylady (Dora)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01649272822470007714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-8731175535906349272017-02-01T10:48:12.021+11:002017-02-01T10:48:12.021+11:00Andrew
unbelievably Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy lived...Andrew<br /><br />unbelievably Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy lived from 1890-1995. She was passionate about her family (most of them) and her Catholic religion, but once Joe died in 1969, Rose was finally free to raise a lot of money and scholarly interest in mental retardation, its causes and treatments. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-55394672322102609232017-02-01T10:38:52.282+11:002017-02-01T10:38:52.282+11:00Parnassus
re the lobotomy
Rosemary (1918–2005)...Parnassus <br /><br />re the lobotomy <br /><br />Rosemary (1918–2005) was certainly slower than the other children from birth, but she was pretty and liked being with men. Joe Kennedy was terrified she would have sex before marriage and that the news would "get out". By 1941, he was prepared to sacrifice his daughter for his sons' political careers. <br /><br />Rosemary, then 23-years-old, had regressed back to infancy, losing her ability to walk and speak. Joe immediately sent his daughter to a secret psychiatric hospital and I don't think any member of the family could ever find her again. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-15889683764775431642017-02-01T10:32:19.459+11:002017-02-01T10:32:19.459+11:00Parnassus and bazza
quite right about parents not...Parnassus and bazza<br /><br />quite right about parents not accepting of mixed marriages and alternative lifestyles, even for their adult children. I have seen it many times myself. But eventually most caring parents say "I think my child is making a mistake, but I would never ever cut myself off from him/her or from my grandchildren".<br /><br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-29935341364609977602017-02-01T07:42:08.721+11:002017-02-01T07:42:08.721+11:00A remarkable yet blighted family. Rose must have l...A remarkable yet blighted family. Rose must have lived to a very old age as I remember seeing her on tv. Parents outlawing relationships with those they deem inappropriate rarely has a good outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-32366856378934060792017-02-01T00:30:41.262+11:002017-02-01T00:30:41.262+11:00Richard Condon's novel Winter Kills is a thinl...Richard Condon's novel <i>Winter Kills</i> is a thinly-disguised take on the Kennedy family. 'Joe' is seen as a nasty master-puppeteer manipulating 'Jack's' career. The Kennedy name seems to be a tragic curse.<br />Incidentally, speaking of intolerance, I had a friend who told me he would 'sit shiva' if his son married the girl he met at University. He didn't marry her - he married my daughter Laura instead!<br /><b><a href="http://todiscoverice.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> CLICK HERE for Bazza’s fabulous Blog ‘To Discover Ice’</a></b>bazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794010156639774028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-64485370711372494762017-02-01T00:00:52.944+11:002017-02-01T00:00:52.944+11:00Hello Hels, Frequently when I read about rich and...Hello Hels, Frequently when I read about rich and powerful families, their meanness and bad personalities make me less jealous of their high status. On the other hand, even a short while ago (and oftentimes even now) families were much less accepting of mixed marriages and alternative lifestyles. Withdrawal of support and affection seems to me a mean and petty way of controlling guilt. However, lobotomizing does seem to be going a bit far.<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-67625256592725040022017-01-31T23:04:12.943+11:002017-01-31T23:04:12.943+11:00Deb
Joseph Kennedy never hid what he was - an ant...Deb<br /><br />Joseph Kennedy never hid what he was - an anti-Semitic, anti-workers' rights man who was a strong supporter of Senator Joseph McCarthy. Plus Kennedy requested and succeeded in getting his "wayward" teenage daughter lobotomised. <br /><br />But I truly believed Rose was a loving mother who protected her children as best she could. That Rose thought their daughter Kathleen was very unattractive was unpleasant. That Rose wouldn't allow Kathleen's siblings to celebrate her marriage or mourn her death ... was unconscionable.<br /><br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-90686702735333891272017-01-31T21:23:20.312+11:002017-01-31T21:23:20.312+11:00Good grief. I knew her father was horrible but the...Good grief. I knew her father was horrible but the mother also sounded heartless.Debnoreply@blogger.com