tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post8559912223972341978..comments2024-03-28T22:50:02.315+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: Cathar history, Cathar architectureHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-2523073883577291902016-01-21T00:10:50.553+11:002016-01-21T00:10:50.553+11:00mem
that is so true. Students are always asked to...mem<br /><br />that is so true. Students are always asked to read Le Roy Ladurie's work on "Montaillou village occitan", in the early 14th century. I think the reason these particular inquisition interview reports survived was ONLY because Pope Benedict XII took the records with him. Normally evidence of religious crusades is hidden or destroyed.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-21533171309801652052016-01-20T17:25:54.135+11:002016-01-20T17:25:54.135+11:00Very Interesting . I remember reading a book calle...Very Interesting . I remember reading a book called Montaillou by someone whose name I dont remember . It was the actual transcripts of the inquisition of the people of the Langdoc and the records were used to write this very interesting history of this period . It is quite famous I think. memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520080648914042943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-13720923484242678802016-01-19T23:56:01.274+11:002016-01-19T23:56:01.274+11:00foto fanatic
apart from the fact that Cathar here...foto fanatic<br /><br />apart from the fact that Cathar heretics were executed by being burned at the stake, I am not sure anything much has changed in the last 800 years. In this case, it was a Catholic war of terror waged against the indigenous Cathar population of the Languedoc and their rulers. But you could have substituted any other religious groups over the centuries. <br /><br />Or non-religious groups like "witches". They were harmless women who were drowned, burned or hanged, mainly in Protestant countries.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-76256924234581039092016-01-19T12:38:37.254+11:002016-01-19T12:38:37.254+11:00Edited for typos
Interesting, as always. I have v...Edited for typos<br /><br />Interesting, as always. I have visited Carcasonne, in fact it was one of the highlights of my travels in France, and yet I knew not one iota of the Cathars. My loss.<br /><br />The other thought that springs to mind is that we are now nine hundred years on, give or take, and there are still those who want to kill others who don't share a particular view on religion.<br /><br />What will it take to learn that another person's beliefs alone cannot hurt us - they are just thought processes.the foto fanatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17234840691455844914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-2412609700589186672016-01-19T10:37:58.483+11:002016-01-19T10:37:58.483+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.the foto fanatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17234840691455844914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-15070933023239716402016-01-18T11:30:27.627+11:002016-01-18T11:30:27.627+11:00Kimberly
I love blogging... the references from o...Kimberly<br /><br />I love blogging... the references from other people are the BEST part :) <br /><br />And you could not have been more spot on: "the Labyrinth novel relies heavily on historical events such as the massacre at Béziers and the Crusade against the Cathars in Occitania, now the South of France, from around 1200".Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-61445838916808110422016-01-18T10:52:24.372+11:002016-01-18T10:52:24.372+11:00Hi Hels,
Every time I read about Languedoc and Ca...Hi Hels,<br /><br />Every time I read about Languedoc and Carcassone, I can't help thinking about Labyrinth and Sepulchre written by Kate Mosse. The same setting and location. Have you read them? I highly recommend them. Especially, if you are intereted and familiar with the history.Kimberly Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06701922878244863690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-71194877694690717382016-01-16T22:39:06.459+11:002016-01-16T22:39:06.459+11:00Mandy
When Joe and I were travelling from Israel ...Mandy<br /><br />When Joe and I were travelling from Israel to Britain many decades ago, we travelled for three months and slept in cheap caravans. I had a number of absolutely favourite parts, but even now I remember Languedoc very fondly. It must have worked. I eventually went back to university to study history and art history :)Helsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-57306327168659267952016-01-16T22:25:18.623+11:002016-01-16T22:25:18.623+11:00Parnassus
You will understand this material far b...Parnassus<br /><br />You will understand this material far better than I. In fact I read the masses (no pun intended) of theological information on the Cathars Beliefs page, and found it very difficult to understand. But so did the C12th Catholic Church!! The papacy sent missionaries to France at first, but the Cathars were increasingly religiously and politically intolerable. So missionaries were replaced by military crusaders. In the long term...what a tragedy!Helsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-86358512008576281742016-01-16T21:59:46.229+11:002016-01-16T21:59:46.229+11:00Jim
Happy 2016 :) Sometimes we visit great places...Jim<br /><br />Happy 2016 :) Sometimes we visit great places intentionally and sometimes it is totally random. But the clever traveller always maximises the experience. <br /><br />Every time I assume I know every historical location in Europe, the next year suggests something new and wonderful.Helsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-32357367762199991642016-01-16T19:54:59.130+11:002016-01-16T19:54:59.130+11:00Gosh, this is simply fascinating. I did not know a...Gosh, this is simply fascinating. I did not know anything about the Cathar people but would definitely like to do some historical touring in the future. Mandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931248631361366673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-85084052540299205222016-01-16T19:51:04.691+11:002016-01-16T19:51:04.691+11:00Hello Hels, Even if people were "sparks of l...Hello Hels, Even if people were "sparks of light trapped in tunics of material flesh," why was this necessarily bad, especially given a human time-span vs. eternity. Considering the earth's population today, there must have been a lot of untrapped lights-sparks around then.<br /><br />The Shaker religious colonies in the U.S. also did not believe in procreative sex, and apparently were sincere, since the colonies slowly died out. <br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-75604689566868604922016-01-16T17:35:58.936+11:002016-01-16T17:35:58.936+11:00So beautiful. Just visited the medieval city of Ca...So beautiful. Just visited the medieval city of Carcassonne on my recent trip to Europe and was amazed by it.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16361781616939928650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-22810750623224954442016-01-16T14:09:26.161+11:002016-01-16T14:09:26.161+11:00Cathar Country Tours
sounds very cool.
My favou...Cathar Country Tours<br /><br />sounds very cool. <br /><br />My favourite summer holiday courses were always at the various universities that participated in the Summer Academy (administered from Canterbury in Kent). Your one-week tour designed for for academics, experts and aficionados who already have an in-depth knowledge of Cathar history sounds perfect, but my holidays are June-July (not Sept) and the price is quite steep.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-41851435669604244572016-01-16T14:04:04.721+11:002016-01-16T14:04:04.721+11:00Student
How much was true Cathar belief and how m...Student<br /><br />How much was true Cathar belief and how much was Catholic ridicule?<br /><br />The idea that human beings were sparks of light trapped in tunics of material flesh had a number of logical consequences for the Cathars:<br />1. Procreative sex was bad, since conception would result in another soul being trapped. For this reason, normal sex between man and wife was as bad as any other procreative sex. Marriage was worthless, so there was no reason to condemn any form of non-procreative sex.<br />2. The less one had to do with evil material things, the better. Eating animal products was particularly abhorred, though fish were allowed since they reproduced asexually.<br />3. The sooner we can shed this tunic of flesh, the sooner our souls could be free to fly back to heaven. There was therefore no reason to discourage suicide.<br />4. There was not any reason to regard men as better than women. The important part, the soul, was the same. <br />5. Since material objects were creations of the Bad God, it was absurd to imagine that they could be of any virtue. So jewels, money, relics, the Eucharist, reproductions of the cross, and church buildings were of no value whatsoever. <br /><br />See: Cathar Beliefs http://www.cathar.info/cathar_beliefs.htm#other<br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-16317711633781350832016-01-16T12:32:44.536+11:002016-01-16T12:32:44.536+11:00Cathar Country Tours include guided visits to Cath...Cathar Country Tours include guided visits to Cathar Castles and other Cathar related sites, informal illustrated lectures and talks on Catharism, Cathar beliefs and practices, the concept of heresy, Medieval warfare and the Albigensian Crusade, along with the history of the region. Talks also cover the ancient culture of the area including the role of the medieval Counts of Toulouse and the medieval Inquisition. The tours are all conducted in English. <br /><br />Here are some examples.<br />Counts' Three-day Tour, 08 May 2016 — 10 May 2016<br />Montségur / Puivert / Montaillou / Foix / Toulouse<br /><br />Viscounts' Three-day Tour, 12 May 2016 — 14 May 2016 <br />Albi / Cordes-sur-Ciel / Avignonet / Lavaur / Les Casses / Mazamet / Hautpoule<br /><br />Carcassonne Three-day Tour, 17 May 2016 —19 May 2016 <br />Carcassonne / Chateau Comtal / Lastours (Cabaret) / Minerve / Fontfroide / ArquesCathar Country Tourshttp://www.catharcountry.info/tour_index.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-83534271647591978562016-01-16T11:35:56.639+11:002016-01-16T11:35:56.639+11:00Helen I remembering having a laugh in lectures, bu...Helen I remembering having a laugh in lectures, but I cannot remember the details. If Cathars didn't have marriage, sex and babies, how would they have kept up their numbers? Or did they go out and recuit new adult members? Student of Historynoreply@blogger.com