tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post7457762919416358153..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: The Peter Norman, Tommie Smith and John Carlos story - hero athletes?Helshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-42391043720095679932019-02-21T10:14:05.336+11:002019-02-21T10:14:05.336+11:00Hilary
me either. Fancy waiting until recently wh...Hilary<br /><br />me either. Fancy waiting until recently when a Federal MP apologised for the treatment Peter Norman received back in Australia in 1968. Only in 2012 did the MP acknowledge Norman as a great Australian athlete who stood with black power protesters. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-2261703852918769082019-02-21T01:26:18.531+11:002019-02-21T01:26:18.531+11:00Thanks Hels for this ... I didn't know the ful...Thanks Hels for this ... I didn't know the full story - cheers HilaryHilary Melton-Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596532480645510678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-29997781944813265042019-02-04T08:13:58.755+11:002019-02-04T08:13:58.755+11:00Tanza
welcome aboard.
It seems shocking to us t...Tanza<br /><br />welcome aboard. <br /><br />It seems shocking to us that Adolf Hitler famously refused to shake Jessie Owens’ hand, not wanting to acknowledge a black athlete’s great success at the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games. And worse that the American team managers forced Owen to use the goods lift in the hotel the team was staying at, not the ordinary guests' lift.<br /><br />How appalling that black athletes paid an even worse price at the 1968 Olympic Games.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-49976671609560504072019-02-04T01:33:21.466+11:002019-02-04T01:33:21.466+11:00Thank you for your well written post.
Open my mind...Thank you for your well written post.<br />Open my mindTanza Erlambanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13033202053400016976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31052614717619414162019-02-03T19:51:10.405+11:002019-02-03T19:51:10.405+11:00Andrew
I remember the 1968 Olympics very well, pa...Andrew<br /><br />I remember the 1968 Olympics very well, particularly because Australia did well. But no, the significance of the event was not at all visible during the Games, and certainly not in the years leading up to 1972. <br /><br />If anyone would like my copy of the Peter Norman Story book, I will just charge the postal costs. It is important to investigate how Australian policies were changed, on the say so of Avery Brundage and others.<br /><br />By the way, do you remember when Dawn Fraser was banned for life?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-65735054562708394952019-02-03T18:10:24.554+11:002019-02-03T18:10:24.554+11:00A pretty sad and depressing story about a sad life...A pretty sad and depressing story about a sad life after such a brave act. At least the black competitors went on to receive recognition. I was 11 at the time. Can you remember the incident at the time? Even casting my mind back to 1968, why did this so upset Australians? At least I am confident it would be a different story here now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-49370852493721608982019-02-02T22:00:14.222+11:002019-02-02T22:00:14.222+11:00Jenny
Andrew Webster and Matt Norman certainly le...Jenny<br /><br />Andrew Webster and Matt Norman certainly left me with that exact feeling, yes - a depressed, flawed character, who made it very difficult for his family in particular. <br /><br />But when we think back to what Peter Norman actually did, it was a very modest public support for his two American colleagues. Even had he not been concerned about racial inequality, what did Avery Brundage and the other officials expect Peter Norman to do - not collect his silver medal? The ridicule he faced back in Australia was far out of proportion to his so-called misdemeanor in Mexico. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-71954755783945450792019-02-02T21:47:09.292+11:002019-02-02T21:47:09.292+11:00LMK
Smith and Carlos were sent home in disgrace a...LMK<br /><br />Smith and Carlos were sent home in disgrace and formally banned from the Olympics for life. Informally they were treated as returning heroes, at least by all black community and a portion of the rest of the USA.<br /><br />Norman had the opposite response. He was NOT banned from any Olympics, but he returned home to Australia to suffer unofficial sanction and ridicule. Despite winning every race in Australia before the 1972 Games, he never ran in the Olympics again.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-22029638157243737732019-02-02T21:39:40.361+11:002019-02-02T21:39:40.361+11:00Parnassus
Most people DID believe that the Olympi...Parnassus<br /><br />Most people DID believe that the Olympics were the symbol of multi-national and fair competition. Except for the black athletes who recognised lack of fairness when they saw it! So black athletes formed the Olympic Project for Human Rights to organise an African American boycott, well before the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City. <br /><br />Two of their requests were<br />1. Disinvite South Africa and Rhodesia and<br />2. Remove the pro-Nazi Avery Brundage as head of the United States Olympic Committee. <br /><br />Even though the boycott failed, and black athletes did end up going to Mexico City, symbols of the Olympic Project for Human Rights were to be expected during and after the events.<br />But note that Peter Norman merely stood respectfully, while Smith and Carlos carried out their silent protest. And he wore a Olympic Project for Human Rights badge on his shirt.<br /><br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-33422998365414753292019-02-02T18:00:28.216+11:002019-02-02T18:00:28.216+11:00A complex character, and a difficult one to live w...A complex character, and a difficult one to live with, I suspect. But we need people who go their own way and who will make points of principle like this - they are the ones which often spark off change. Jenny Woolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16881781466502273314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-62684899362156825872019-02-02T17:03:24.827+11:002019-02-02T17:03:24.827+11:00Tragic story. I can see that Norman was excluded f...Tragic story. I can see that Norman was excluded from the 1972 Olympic team, but I cannot see what happened to Smith and Carlos in the 1972 Games. LMKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-58979739740302009202019-02-02T16:32:16.424+11:002019-02-02T16:32:16.424+11:00Hello Hels, How ironic that the Olympics, suppose...Hello Hels, How ironic that the Olympics, supposedly the symbol of multi-national and fair competition, was the source of such bias and pettiness. Too late to do Peter Norman himself any good, his reputation has been revived and statues ordered, but we have to also wonder about Norman's lost athletic career.<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.com