tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post5828913902616374298..comments2024-03-28T17:30:22.269+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: London's fire station architecture - still functioning, re-purposed or demolishedHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-21737712065437477662021-06-19T03:02:33.701+10:002021-06-19T03:02:33.701+10:00DUTA
In daily life everywhere, yes. It is not pos...DUTA<br /><br />In daily life everywhere, yes. It is not possible to register (as protected) all Victorian architecture that played an important role in national history, but these treasures are special. If the buildings are repurposed, they will need a plaque or historically-relevant decoration on the front.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-46228472999595490522021-06-19T01:28:19.106+10:002021-06-19T01:28:19.106+10:00Fire stations and firefighters are a very relevant...Fire stations and firefighters are a very relevant topic to our daily life.<br />I'm not familiar with the fire stations in London, but judging by your post, they have a rich history and architecture. Thanks for sharing.DUTAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979375799258978432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-6976465494048407652021-06-18T22:10:40.914+10:002021-06-18T22:10:40.914+10:00Hilary
You are quite right...Local and state gove...Hilary<br /><br />You are quite right...Local and state governments don't seem to be able to address necessary problems, and federal governments don't seem to be remotely interested. I asked my youngest grandchild how the various levels of government expect to tackle fire crises in the future, if their services face constant cut backs. The 10 year old said it was simple: each house or block of flats will be responsible for its own safety - via careful design in the first place and then lots of hoses etc.<br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-77973393837082510262021-06-18T18:47:44.453+10:002021-06-18T18:47:44.453+10:00Hi Hels - thanks for all the history ... so many f...Hi Hels - thanks for all the history ... so many fires, with the ever worrying situations ... Governments don't seem to be able to address necessary problems ... that affect lives and families and leave them 'waiting' ... so many still wait to have no stress, no worries - can government realise what the general public affected by these 'omissions' in life ... I feel for them so much. Thanks for this - HilaryHilary Melton-Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596532480645510678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-23484403814666571222021-06-18T13:51:33.346+10:002021-06-18T13:51:33.346+10:00Luiz
what a horrible event :( Brazil’s most impor...Luiz<br /><br />what a horrible event :( Brazil’s most important scientific museum was destroyed by fire in 2018, along with its archive of 20 million items. It was the biggest natural history museum in Latin America, and the loss to science, history and culture was incalculable.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-20730119123274318762021-06-18T07:23:30.325+10:002021-06-18T07:23:30.325+10:00Boa tarde minha querida amiga. Esse incêndio me le...Boa tarde minha querida amiga. Esse incêndio me lembra um pouco do Museu Nacional aqui no Rio de Janeiro. Luiz Gomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07701551526214852309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-38298556882789148482021-06-17T22:02:55.629+10:002021-06-17T22:02:55.629+10:00Rachel
understood, nod. Now I will have to look a...Rachel<br /><br />understood, nod. Now I will have to look at the Victorian and Edwardian buildings in Melbourne and Sydney.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-39951576000248431082021-06-17T22:01:10.454+10:002021-06-17T22:01:10.454+10:00Britta
If you have a photo of the fire service in...Britta<br /><br />If you have a photo of the fire service in Bavaria, I would love to see it. All you need to tell me is the town, the year in which the building opened up and what the building is used for now.<br /><br />Hels<br />helenw@bigpond.net.auHelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-82755346669320512622021-06-17T21:43:28.194+10:002021-06-17T21:43:28.194+10:00Wow, that is a wonderful survey, thank you Hels!
M...Wow, that is a wonderful survey, thank you Hels!<br />My yearning to see London again grows and grows. <br />In the meantime I will try to take a photo of the tiny Fire Service in the little village in Bavaria :-) Brittahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688373434576442657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-85567246333078886082021-06-17T21:30:59.262+10:002021-06-17T21:30:59.262+10:00I said worked in the past tense - I was referring...I said worked in the past tense - I was referring to building designs. Funding today comes from Central Government and local Council Tax. Rachel Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053924416805878169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-38970449964116908292021-06-17T13:01:04.728+10:002021-06-17T13:01:04.728+10:00Rachel
I am grateful you said that the National F...Rachel<br /><br />I am grateful you said that the National Fire Service oversees the facilities all around the country. Today only Scotland and Northern Ireland have centralised fire services, so their authorities operate as committees of their devolved parliaments. What are the funding guarantees in all the other Council areas in the UK?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-28471374142778554162021-06-17T12:44:10.377+10:002021-06-17T12:44:10.377+10:00Parnassus
Fire was such a tragedy in old, crowded...Parnassus<br /><br />Fire was such a tragedy in old, crowded cities that the history of fire prevention, equipment, staffing and success/failure in extinguishing fires became historically important. Thus the fire stations really had to be preserved, whether they were used for the same purpose or not. If a city cannot afford to pay for a fire station and its staff, then the building should be given heritage status and saved for another purpose. With a plaque added on the front.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-24459153690180014222021-06-17T01:27:56.716+10:002021-06-17T01:27:56.716+10:00All I was saying was that in spite of the fire sta...All I was saying was that in spite of the fire station being within seconds of the fire in the case of the City Library, they still couldn't save it. Nowt to do with politics, just fact, the fire took over and beat them. I watched the flames licking up to the sky as I walked to work. I understood why you focussed on London but it struck me the similarity with our fire stations here and of course the Fire Service worked to a national plan of design so I thought I would mention it. Rachel Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053924416805878169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-30921742869142729792021-06-17T00:44:48.504+10:002021-06-17T00:44:48.504+10:00Hello Hels, Fire stations have unique architectur...Hello Hels, Fire stations have unique architecture due to their imperitive demands, and so many of the old ones managed to have grace and charm as well. I am glad that so many of the old ones were saved. I wonder what the never replacement ones look like--I imagine not as classy. The thought did cross my mind about inadequate fire protection with all those closings, and from the other comments this is apparently a real concern.<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-74731671710018329342021-06-16T21:08:25.256+10:002021-06-16T21:08:25.256+10:00Rachel
thank you. I was focusing on Greater Londo...Rachel<br /><br />thank you. I was focusing on Greater London, only because of the ease of retrieving the historical information. That is why I didn't include Norwich, even though the issues we raised were probably even more tricky, well away from the capital city.<br /><br />I read all the Grenfell Reports over the last few years, but I am not sure _even now_ that the human race has fixed all the problems with huge towers. Could tragic events happen again?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-44939240726082414262021-06-16T20:40:46.527+10:002021-06-16T20:40:46.527+10:00Sorry meant to start that comment with the Lewisha...Sorry meant to start that comment with the Lewisham firestation. Rachel Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053924416805878169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-1771040801948845152021-06-16T20:40:15.871+10:002021-06-16T20:40:15.871+10:00The Norwich firestation is exactly the same as the...The Norwich firestation is exactly the same as the Norwich one. The Norwich one was changed to a school about 5 years ago and the fire station moved outside the city centre. Coincidentally there was a story in the local paper last week about living in the flat at the top written by the daughter of the station master during the 1950s. In recent years Norwich has had some serious fires in the city centre within sight of the fire station (while it was still the fire station) and in both instances the fires took over and the buildings were completely destroyed! The Grenfell fire fighters failed the residents in telling them to stay in their flats instead of running for their lives, by the way. Survival instincts tell you to run and those who ran survived.Rachel Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053924416805878169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-65315586195196798262021-06-16T19:11:06.092+10:002021-06-16T19:11:06.092+10:00Andrew
Thanks... it is not often you can leave me...Andrew<br /><br />Thanks... it is not often you can leave me speechless. <br /><br />I can perfectly well understand that 19th century fire station doorways, which had been large enough for horse drawn vehicles, had to be enlarged in the inter-war era. Only in that way could the new, larger motorised engines could be parked inside the fire station and could get ouside as soon as the bells rang. <br /><br />But we should have dealt with that problem 70 years ago!! And if our fire engines are growing wider still, then it shouldn't be beyond our smartest architects to widen the double doors.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-64663640528438042072021-06-16T18:48:09.707+10:002021-06-16T18:48:09.707+10:00While I knew about the insurance companies fire fi...While I knew about the insurance companies fire fighting in London, I did not know about the subsequent history. I suppose you know why our inner suburban fire stations closed? Their doorways were too narrow for the much larger modern fire trucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-58318787482019572152021-06-16T12:17:07.719+10:002021-06-16T12:17:07.719+10:00bazza
there were reports, reviews and analyses on...bazza<br /><br />there were reports, reviews and analyses on EVERY aspect of the Grenfell Tower fire, yet you note that the cutbacks have carried on unabated. London is my favourite city anywhere, so I find the entire story incomprehensible.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-17982951353066431312021-06-16T12:10:24.616+10:002021-06-16T12:10:24.616+10:00Joe
that is a catastrophe waiting to happen! Oh w...Joe<br /><br />that is a catastrophe waiting to happen! Oh wait, the catastrophe already happened :( The Grenfell Tower tragedy of 2017 not only killed 70-80 ordinary residents; it traumatised the survivors, fire fighters, ambulance staff and neighbours for ever.<br /><br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-36217888499364773622021-06-16T12:02:12.858+10:002021-06-16T12:02:12.858+10:00Fun60
nod there are wonderful sources of informat...Fun60<br /><br />nod there are wonderful sources of information on line, but I wish I had found The Londonist earlier.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-36006008019518142722021-06-16T03:15:51.149+10:002021-06-16T03:15:51.149+10:00A really fascinating and comprehensive story (as e...A really fascinating and comprehensive story (as ever!). Many Fire Marks can still be seen on London's buildings. One needs to 'look up' when exploring in the city! The cutbacks that Joe mentions have carried on unabated...<br /><b><a href="http://todiscoverice.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> CLICK HERE for Bazza’s closely concomitant Blog ‘To Discover Ice’</a></b>bazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794010156639774028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-16088866894799716532021-06-15T22:38:09.809+10:002021-06-15T22:38:09.809+10:00Helen
I know your interest was in saving the arch...Helen<br /><br />I know your interest was in saving the architecture, but read the Guardian comment on closing down fire services. "Since 2010, more than 10,000 firefighters have been axed, dozens of fire stations have closed, fire engines have been scrapped and levels of emergency rescue equipment has been slashed. In London, 10 fire stations have been closed, 27 fire engines axed and more than 600 firefighter posts have been cut. Every year response times are increasing and 2015-2016 saw a 15% rise in fire deaths compared with the year before".<br /><br />written by Andrew Scattergood<br />The Guardian<br />16/6/2017<br /><br />Joehttp://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-22910851985343804132021-06-15T22:24:08.133+10:002021-06-15T22:24:08.133+10:00That was fascinating Hels. I especially liked the ...That was fascinating Hels. I especially liked the last section. The Londonist is a good source of information. I often use it.Fun60https://www.blogger.com/profile/08084441984556826917noreply@blogger.com