tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post5341512425218152904..comments2024-03-28T22:50:02.315+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: Charles Lindbergh: from national hero to racist anti-hero Helshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-19517072661584743892020-10-24T22:56:45.984+11:002020-10-24T22:56:45.984+11:00Read Robert Zorn's book Cemetery John: The Und...Read Robert Zorn's book Cemetery John: The Undiscovered Mastermind Behind the Lindbergh Kidnapping (2012). Zorn contended that a German immigrant named John Knoll, Cemetery John, was deeply involved in the kidnapping in 1932. Even if Zorn did not have all the details exactly right, it proves that capital punishment is always catastrophic. Bruno Richard Hauptmann, the man who was executed for the murder of the Lindbergh baby, may or may not have been involved.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-68879894323673591872020-09-01T23:29:18.884+10:002020-09-01T23:29:18.884+10:00Anon
nope. I was born in Australia to European pa...Anon<br /><br />nope. I was born in Australia to European parentage and my husband was born and raised in Europe, until they came to Australia. And I am a pacifist, so would never join an army as an active participant. Fortunately lots of conscientious objectors found other ways to serve their nations in times of violence.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-80980758113887483182020-09-01T17:12:27.787+10:002020-09-01T17:12:27.787+10:00Frankly the only truly racist comments and sentime...Frankly the only truly racist comments and sentiments i can find here are those of the author and commenters. Apparently you hate every person of european heritage that you're incapable of condemning anyone from your own group but see nothing wrong with supporting extremist views that result in the deaths of millions of other people so long as the victims aren't in your group.<br />I'll never understand how someone like this can sleep at night without feeling shame of so massive proportions that they ought to suffocate in their anxiety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-10257772282850929802020-03-22T11:06:12.705+11:002020-03-22T11:06:12.705+11:00packy
I think that is true for classes in many co...packy<br /><br />I think that is true for classes in many countries... the students are spared the true but tough bits of our nations' histories. <br /><br />But I am delighted to read your post Tiger Woods Instead of Trump (as President). That is exactly what the tv series "The Plot Against America" did re Lindbergh winning the presidency in 1940.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31469070809382128952020-03-22T10:50:20.559+11:002020-03-22T10:50:20.559+11:00Clearly some of this information was not shared on...Clearly some of this information was not shared on whatever brief Historical side trip was taken about Charles Lindbergh while I as in school. Makes him seem a little less heroic. packyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505385525671427488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-69113648314212958442020-03-19T10:27:34.268+11:002020-03-19T10:27:34.268+11:00Francis
many thanks for the reference. I am pleas...Francis<br /><br />many thanks for the reference. I am pleased that Charles Lindbergh's widow Anne published her diary from the war years - it was very important for Charles that he had the total backing of a loving wife, especially as he was becoming more isolated from the decision-makers in those years. Anne also noted that she provided her husband with an editorial view before he gave his public speeches, helping him understand which parts would be better modified or excluded.<br /><br />Read Dr Aroup Chatterjee's 2002 Mother Teresa: The Final Verdict, since republished as Mother Teresa: The Untold Story. You may find the book controversial, but I found it re-affirmed my view that heroes are almost always driven, but flawed human beings.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-59407266056706615412020-03-19T09:55:17.619+11:002020-03-19T09:55:17.619+11:00Helen:
Here is a link to Mrs. Lindbergh’s views o...Helen:<br /><br />Here is a link to Mrs. Lindbergh’s views on her husband’s statements about the Jews. You might find it interesting.<br /><br />http://www.charleslindbergh.com/ny/105.asp<br /><br />Frank D<br /><br />PS. In the comments to your post you lump Mother Teresa among “fall down drunks, unfaithful spouses, and racists.” Which one was she?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-74921246690660973352020-03-18T22:25:07.673+11:002020-03-18T22:25:07.673+11:00Andrew
people did what they did because either th...Andrew<br /><br />people did what they did because either they thought was the right thing to do OR because they feared the consequences if they disobeyed orders from higher authorities. <br /><br />You will remember when Australian soldiers were tried for murdering civilians in the Boer War, they said they were under strict orders from their British Commanders. When the Australians were executed by the British in 1902, everyone here said our soldiers could never be so immoral. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-26878432201700703632020-03-18T22:13:46.641+11:002020-03-18T22:13:46.641+11:00mem
Not sure about "7" generations but ...mem<br /><br />Not sure about "7" generations but war was appalling for the generation that a] died or b] survived but seriously wounded. And often the war was equally crippling for c] the babies born during or after the war. That second generation paid a very great price for a war they remembered nothing of. <br /><br />That doesn't explain Charles Lindbergh of course. But it might go a long way in explaining the 1930s generation of young adult Englishmen, Frenchmen, Russians and Germans. Just recently I have been writing a blog post on a group of 1930s British aristocrats and opinion-makers who were also anti-black, anti-Jewish, anti-workers and pro-Nazi.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-51619073632827387552020-03-18T19:05:19.210+11:002020-03-18T19:05:19.210+11:00Gosh, that is awful to learn. I like mem's com...Gosh, that is awful to learn. I like mem's comments. You have to get inside heads to understand what terrible things people did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-37590862216929078682020-03-18T16:05:33.546+11:002020-03-18T16:05:33.546+11:00Not all the Hitler Youth victims were rabid Nazis....Not all the Hitler Youth victims were rabid Nazis. I have known a few in my life and mostly they were in it because being at school meant you had to be . In the last days of the war, many of these kids were mopping after bombing raids and were deeply traumatized by what they saw.Early in the war they manned antiaircraft guns. I have seen math exercise books which taught geometry and applied it to the angles needing to be calculated to shoot down aircraft. The person I was close to had an abiding hatred of uniforms and organizations like scouts and brownies for the rest of his life . The total disillusionment which came as the truth of the atrocities came to light led to deep sadness in those brave enough to confront what had happened. His sister was agoraphobic for the rest of her life . All this pales into insignificance when compared to the holocaust but the trauma was still very very real and significant .War creates so many victims and resonates on down the generation . I think its in the bible that it says" the sins of the fathers shall be visited onto the children for 7 generations ." Thats pretty true I think .memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520080648914042943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-72316352274155129882020-03-18T14:02:44.470+11:002020-03-18T14:02:44.470+11:00mem
not intrinsically evil, agreed. I saw an exce...mem<br /><br />not intrinsically evil, agreed. I saw an excellent tv documentary that explored the influence of the Hitler Youth on German boys in the Nazi era. They were beautiful little boys who just wanted to go camping, play outdoor sport and wear handsome uniforms. But the physical and mental control of the boys became more brutal in their early teens and by 1939, the Hitler Youths had become Hitler fanatics.<br /><br />The question of ordinary people being attracted to extra-ordinary hero figures is problematic. Everyone wants a greater future but avidly following a human hero is bound to lead to heartbreak. Even Churchill, Einstein, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela were fall-down drunks or unfaithful spouses or racist ideologues.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-74233150545509889612020-03-18T12:45:38.915+11:002020-03-18T12:45:38.915+11:00it is a secret preoccupation of mine to listen to ...it is a secret preoccupation of mine to listen to people who have opinions and share them publicly and privately and then to imagine if they would have backed the Nazi party in 1932. I suspect that there are many people in public life and in private life who would have at least initially signed up to the party . Germans were not intrinsically evil people . They were pretty average I think but had this misfortune to be ripe fro thee picking by a creep like Hitler . Thee Americans are experiencing the dangers of Trumpism. It seems we are all attracted to hero figures who we want to believe will lead us to a greater future . Its pathetic but very human I suspect .I dont think it will ever go away just as the human need to blame someone else fro pour deficiency wont . memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520080648914042943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-34500116694130679032020-03-18T10:52:42.933+11:002020-03-18T10:52:42.933+11:00Joseph
the Lindbergh House and Museum noted that ...Joseph<br /><br />the Lindbergh House and Museum noted that on his return to the United States, Lindbergh began to actively work for the anti-interventionist cause. At the time, more than 80% of the American public shared his views, opposing any involvement in the European conflict which broke into open warfare when Germany invaded Poland on Sep 1939. https://www.mnhs.org/lindbergh/learn/controversies<br /><br />They don't say how many supported his view that war with Germany would be bad for the white races. Or that freedom from Jewish influence would make the USA a more democratic nation.<br /><br /><br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-67485659987390821652020-03-18T10:43:10.475+11:002020-03-18T10:43:10.475+11:00Parnassus
I suppose if he limited his nastiness t...Parnassus<br /><br />I suppose if he limited his nastiness to his private life, his friends and family would be the only ones to suffer the consequences. But Lindbergh seems to have been on a nation-wide mission, with giant outdoor and indoor assemblies, newspaper articles, radio speeches, public tours of German air force facilities etc etc. Even when he lost his status at the hands of the President, he pushed on regardless. At least we can admire his dedication to his nasty causes.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-68706876853095485862020-03-18T10:13:17.603+11:002020-03-18T10:13:17.603+11:00Is there any way of knowing what proportion of the...Is there any way of knowing what proportion of the white population supported Lindbergh's racist opinions in 1941?Josephhttp://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-58497686905069343132020-03-18T00:09:59.841+11:002020-03-18T00:09:59.841+11:00Hello Hels, What a creep Lindbergh was! He deserv...Hello Hels, What a creep Lindbergh was! He deserved to lose his once glowing reputation. That is a risk when reading about people we admire for their work--in private life they might have been nasty pieces of work. So many previously-admired famous people have been discredited--the age of heroes is truly over!<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-14694235240301263092020-03-17T23:29:30.139+11:002020-03-17T23:29:30.139+11:00bazza
people don't hate blacks, Jews, Russian...bazza<br /><br />people don't hate blacks, Jews, Russians or any other group from conception. They have to learn hatred from their parents, school, life crises or something that strongly moulds their minds. So where did Charles Jnr's views come from? Certainly his wanting to keep the U.S out of the European war was repeating his father's views (from WW1) word for word.<br /><br />Lindbergh believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe. Susan Gray's book "Charles A. Lindbergh and the American Dilemma: The Conflict of Technology" was helpful. German philosopher Oswald Spengler was a rightwinger who Lindbergh apparently loved reading. And closer to home was Henry Ford, very well known for his rightwing anti-Semitism.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-47798433718308422792020-03-17T23:02:12.979+11:002020-03-17T23:02:12.979+11:00Deb
that scenario occurred to me when a great sin...Deb<br /><br />that scenario occurred to me when a great singer/dancer, adored by an entire generation of people around the world, turned out to secrete 12 year old boys in his ranch and sexually abused them. Had he stood for President, he probably would have won in a canter :(Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-34576516098939258042020-03-17T21:44:31.412+11:002020-03-17T21:44:31.412+11:00I can never really get to grips with the reason wh...I can never really get to grips with the reason why people are so ready to believe the tropes of antisemitism. If all the banks and media were controlled by Jews, well...so what? Surely thirty seconds of logical thought would tell you that it can't be so! Who are the main media moguls? Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Martin Bouygues? <br /><b><a href="http://todiscoverice.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> CLICK HERE for Bazza’s absentmindedly adroit Blog ‘To Discover Ice’</a></b>bazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794010156639774028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-71807796080140280562020-03-17T21:27:52.425+11:002020-03-17T21:27:52.425+11:00Just because a person is a brilliant pilot, film s...Just because a person is a brilliant pilot, film star or sportsman, does not mean he is going to be brilliant in any other area of responsibility. One of the best footballers in this entire country went to prison for spousal abuse. His fans were shocked.Debnoreply@blogger.com