tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post5269667298426558954..comments2024-03-28T22:50:02.315+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: T.B, family secrecy, involuntary lockup and treatmentsHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31261859141548487272023-08-30T21:12:25.106+10:002023-08-30T21:12:25.106+10:00Hasnain
Thank you for reading the post; I would h...Hasnain<br /><br />Thank you for reading the post; I would have thought traumatic was a better word.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-61328536119597047422023-08-30T16:57:15.720+10:002023-08-30T16:57:15.720+10:00Very Nice
Very Nice<br />Hasnainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16117580161234080398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-53644778347256878862023-03-26T20:39:39.681+11:002023-03-26T20:39:39.681+11:00Diane,
I know the mentally disturbed and the TB p...Diane,<br /><br />I know the mentally disturbed and the TB patients required endless work from the staff. All the credit to the nurses... I couldn't have done it.<br /><br />Did your mother ever talk to you about the effectiveness of the care and the feelings of their patients' families?helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10792877540911251690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-25399827677841988772023-03-26T18:41:16.900+11:002023-03-26T18:41:16.900+11:00You write such interesting posts. Well done. My mo...You write such interesting posts. Well done. My mother used to nurse mental patients in London and Sydney. She also nursed TB patients in Sydney. She did this between 1930 and 1967.diane bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002292118984909883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-64936364960692051522023-03-25T13:29:25.468+11:002023-03-25T13:29:25.468+11:00Erika The secrecy was the unfortunate families'...Erika The secrecy was the unfortunate families' response to medical ignorance, poverty and fear of being cut off from work, family, friends and public transport. I understand why families behaved as they did back then, but to this day I still don't understand why the various governments didn't make mask-wearing mandatory during WW1 and after. It may well have also reduced the tragedy of the Spanish Flu. Student, for Helenhttps://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-42658300017847911392023-03-25T13:21:17.931+11:002023-03-25T13:21:17.931+11:00Britta Yes indeed. The Magic Mountain was very app...Britta Yes indeed. The Magic Mountain was very appropo since before WW1, since Mann was able to visit his tubercular wife in her sanatorium in Switzerland for months. Once he got to know the patients and staff there, Mann thought he understood disease and death. That was until the WW1 exploded on the world.Student, for Helenhttps://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-80278940695403199522023-03-25T13:10:28.544+11:002023-03-25T13:10:28.544+11:00Pipistrello, Many people didn't want to be tak...Pipistrello, Many people didn't want to be taken to a distant sanatorium, cut off from family and friends, so they stayed secreted in their squishy, unhealthy homes. And recovered or died at home. But if they could afford an isolated rural retreat with good food and clean air, I suspect more patients recovered and went home, the minority dying in the sanatorium. <br /><br />For example in Italy, until WW1, some 85,000 citizens died every year from TB when voluntary societies did all the hard work. But when the TB epidemic flared up once again in war time, it became clear that more structured _state_ intervention was urgently needed to tackle this terrible public health problem. 1917 was a terrible year, as your poor family discovered. Student, for Helenhttps://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-55330502663194144712023-03-25T11:35:02.713+11:002023-03-25T11:35:02.713+11:00I grew up not too far from a TB Sanitorium in Mass...I grew up not too far from a TB Sanitorium in Massachusetts. I knew about these, but I didn't know about the personal/family reactions that happened when people went to these places. It's so sad they needed to keep it a secret, especially since it is a disease and they didn't know all that much about how it spread at that time. My name is Erika.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04834435573574156495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-11895076131089654252023-03-25T02:59:21.523+11:002023-03-25T02:59:21.523+11:00Dear Helen, it is really shocking to read how thes...Dear Helen, it is really shocking to read how these poor patients were treated - I feel so deeply for the poor mother of your father, for her husband and their children. <br />I have just read Thomas Mann's Zauberberg again - The Magic Mountain, you will know it. There TB is shown in a way that made the sickness appear less awful. But your report really shocked me. Brittahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688373434576442657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-61102266233398780772023-03-24T21:38:56.863+11:002023-03-24T21:38:56.863+11:00This is fascinating. I wonder how long a TB patien...This is fascinating. I wonder how long a TB patient typically "resided" in one of these institutions before they perished? I dare say there were no miraculous recoveries before the invention of antibiotics, just a prolonged demise. I discovered last year, doing some genealogical rummaging, my G-G-Father died in 1917 aged 33 of TB. He left 3 kids under 8 and the family was only newly emigrated to Australia. As to whether he was incarcerated, I don't yet know. I suspect he was exempted from war service as he would most likely have already had it at the outbreak of war, unless he was discharged upon contracting it. And what happened next to the family is a bit of a mystery but there wouldn't have been any assistance from English relatives.Pipistrellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904613196101010022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-81855838449325537092023-03-24T00:09:09.528+11:002023-03-24T00:09:09.528+11:00mem
You comments are important. There were two re...mem<br /><br />You comments are important. There were two reasons people locked away (usually involuntarily) in care facilities were badly treated: <br />1. the necessary drugs and surgeries had not yet been invented and <br />2. women, the elderly, migrants and the psychiatrically disturbed people were not treated with any respect whatsoever. <br />Thankfully we are much better off now with effective drugs and surgeries. But we still have to ask are all people in care treated with the same dignity, regardless of their social status? My experience in residential care for teenagers is, alas, not necessarily :(Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-28804130556978495512023-03-23T18:06:50.595+11:002023-03-23T18:06:50.595+11:00Hello , There actually was a program which was run...Hello , There actually was a program which was run out of Kew asylum's and maybe Kew Cottages where social workers trued to find relatives of the people who had been living in these institutions . Some were successful some not . I remember reading about it in The Age good weekend . I wonder if a book has been written on it . I remember too seeing something about an exhibition charting the history of some of the inmates at Sunbury . Some of the more memorable were women who seem to have been having a rugged menopause or post Partum depression. I also remember reading something fascination about the man who started using lithium to treat Bipolar disorder at Mont Park . He was the first person in the world to do it and was motivated by his love for his dad who I think was a Pharmacist in Horsham who had Bipolar disorder .I think there was a really interesting episode of All in The Mind on radio national which told his story . memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15192448988340897285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-24180775781972324152023-03-23T16:26:08.662+11:002023-03-23T16:26:08.662+11:00mem
you have had some amazing work experiences th...mem<br /><br />you have had some amazing work experiences that would have starkly remained in your memory. I had to rely on excellent written and oral records, but that is never as meaningful as residents or staff understood.<br /><br />I understand why institutions kept their records hidden - to protect the family and the "victim's" privacy. But it caused so much pain and sense of loss, there should have been a time when the files were properly published. There is a British tv programme called Long Lost Family where families struggle for years, just to get adoption records open. Let alone TB records etc.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-22050225382906956732023-03-23T14:37:17.801+11:002023-03-23T14:37:17.801+11:00Goodness this brings back some interesting memorie...Goodness this brings back some interesting memories,. In the early1980s I worked in a large base hospital here in Victoria which had the most wonderful modernist TB Chalet . Our department was housed in this airy very pleasant building . Later it was torn down . It should really have been preserved as a relic of the TB era . I also worked in Beechworth just outside the gates of Mayday Hills . It was a truly Dickensian building where people with various disabilities disappeared into . My cousin discovered that unbeknownst to the family she had a brother in law with Downs syndrome who had been placed there after birth and had been wiped off the family history . His parents had died by the time his siblings discovered him and to their credit he was reincorporated into the family by them . Honestly in so many ways we live in a better world . memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15192448988340897285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-28966676768849649162023-03-23T14:23:23.441+11:002023-03-23T14:23:23.441+11:00Luiz
thanks for searching the name. I would not h...Luiz<br /><br />thanks for searching the name. I would not have found Tillandsia Geminiflora by myself.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-52579673340033989302023-03-23T06:09:14.097+11:002023-03-23T06:09:14.097+11:00Boa tarde de quarta-feira e boa continuação de sem...Boa tarde de quarta-feira e boa continuação de semana. <br />Pesquisei o nome das flores, Tillandsia Geminiflora.<br />Luiz Gomes.Viagens pelo Rio de Janeiro e Brasil.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17123451323448692245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-85958019160326297992023-03-22T22:06:35.639+11:002023-03-22T22:06:35.639+11:00jabblog
thankfully the sanatoria provided all sor...jabblog<br /><br />thankfully the sanatoria provided all sorts of services (fresh dry air, exercise, good diet and sunshine), but sadly there was no antibiotics back then. Yes, some diseases are becoming resistant to modern antibiotics and, if lose their effectiveness, then we lose the ability to treat infections and to control public health threats. <br /><br />Researchers HAVE to move faster than ever before.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-45074867008042198442023-03-22T21:58:16.564+11:002023-03-22T21:58:16.564+11:00Rachel
I keep thinking of all the ways young chil...Rachel<br /><br />I keep thinking of all the ways young children could have lost a parent, when everyone thought it was one of those sad, terrible things in life but that life has to go on - pneumonia, tuberculosis, diphtheria, pogroms, war injuries, coal mine collapses, ship drownings etc. <br /><br />If the mother was left alive, she had to look after her children as warmly as possible. If the father was left alive, he simply had to find a new woman to look after the children, either a new wife or a paid baby sitter. <br /><br />If I was 9 when my beloved mother passed, I could not have gone on.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-30263447497643040212023-03-22T20:53:10.021+11:002023-03-22T20:53:10.021+11:00Antibiotics must have seemed like miracle drugs. N...Antibiotics must have seemed like miracle drugs. Now, diseases are becoming resistant to them and the race is on to discover "something" to replace them.<br />Fascinating insight into the history of sanatoria.jabbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12176958811589489979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-21806170461405819772023-03-22T20:10:47.053+11:002023-03-22T20:10:47.053+11:00Dr Joe
thank you for an excellent reference. If T...Dr Joe<br /><br />thank you for an excellent reference. If TB was the major cause of death in Australia at the start of the C20th, why did it take so long to establish a campaign against the spread of TB? And why did it take till 1948 before the new Tuberculosis Act permitted the Commonwealth to lead national efforts to control TB? Thank goodness for the introduction of antibiotics in 1952 which significantly reduced TB rates.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-46925299186483380652023-03-22T18:11:24.655+11:002023-03-22T18:11:24.655+11:00Yes Hels that is exactly right. She never reconci...Yes Hels that is exactly right. She never reconciled with him and had a strained relationship with her father for the rest of her life. She hated her step-mother for ever. Rachel Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053924416805878169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-86780669604024832822023-03-22T16:42:57.292+11:002023-03-22T16:42:57.292+11:00In 1945, Dr Nancy Atkinson, a bacteriologist at Ad...In 1945, Dr Nancy Atkinson, a bacteriologist at Adelaide's Institute of Medical and Veterinary Science, produced the first Australian made vaccine against TB. This vaccine was later produced in quantity by the Commonwealth Serum Labs. The Aus TB Campaign ran from 1948-76, providing citizens with free diagnostic chest X-rays, medical care and an allowance while being treated. Where X-rays detected an abnormality, this would lead to further testing in hospital and subsequent treatment. <br /><br />No wonder the age-standardised death rate from TB in Australia dropped dramatically during the 20th century, from 108.5 per 100,000 population in 1907 to 0.3 per 100,000 population in 2000.<br /><br />History of TB Control in AustraliaDr Joehttps://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-73853605216382030042023-03-22T11:28:48.349+11:002023-03-22T11:28:48.349+11:00cousin
I imagine that if anyone knew about the TB,...cousin<br />I imagine that if anyone knew about the TB, that child would never be allowed into school or friends' houses, and the father would have lost his job. But the secrecy meant the children didn't know if their mother was even alive.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-82395512259436996092023-03-22T11:26:27.594+11:002023-03-22T11:26:27.594+11:00Andrew
TB was a problem when our parents' gen...Andrew<br /><br />TB was a problem when our parents' generation had their memories intact... a very short time ago in our history. But I had a long think about the question "was TB as infectious as it was thought to be at the time?" <br /><br />The only way the bacteria could get from one person's lungs to another person's lungs was by coughing or singing close enough for the second person to breathe them in. So if children slept together in one bed (as so many did), it could spread easily; if they held hands, they could not spread it.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-47141031840606943652023-03-22T11:18:45.602+11:002023-03-22T11:18:45.602+11:00Rachel
TB was brutal, nod. I know that many chil...Rachel <br /><br />TB was brutal, nod. I know that many children lost a parent in the first half of the 20th century, such that the children retained the pain for the rest of their lives. But worse still, your grandfather and step grandmother offered zero comfort and no sensitivity to your grieving mother. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.com