tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post2160298161696229647..comments2024-03-28T17:30:22.269+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: U.S silent film star Fatty Arbuckle was wrongly charged with murder in 1921!Helshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-25327737450205775522021-09-26T23:26:30.826+10:002021-09-26T23:26:30.826+10:00Viola
I remember the Profumo affair back in 1961 ...Viola<br /><br />I remember the Profumo affair back in 1961 very well indeed, but of course limited by the views being disseminated at the time. It would be altogether a different story now, I imagine, if all the events were reanalysed with new evidence and with a modern understanding of gender roles. And other famous cases as well.<br /><br /> Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-78457647351281536052021-09-26T21:47:20.548+10:002021-09-26T21:47:20.548+10:00Viola
Fatty Arbuckle made several mistakes in his...Viola<br /><br />Fatty Arbuckle made several mistakes in his court cases, I am assuming because he was so famous, he thought his reputation would withstand the political nastiness. Clearly his lawyers were more astute than he, an actor, was. And Will Hays was even more astute.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-2366558490075244642021-09-26T18:33:59.580+10:002021-09-26T18:33:59.580+10:00Did you watch the drama series The Trial of Christ...Did you watch the drama series The Trial of Christine Keeler? It was excellent, and sympathetic to her, I thought. I read a book about her, and I am reading David Profumo's book about his parents. Christine's son is running a campaign for her pardon. Considering her abuse, grooming, etc, it is a worthwhile cause, I think.Violahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08046603677301666579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-21629315381470800912021-09-26T18:28:33.980+10:002021-09-26T18:28:33.980+10:00Fatty was too honour able for his own good when he...Fatty was too honour able for his own good when he refused to let witnesses testify about Rappe's past! That is quite surprising. The book sounds very interesting.Violahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08046603677301666579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-10286530436609758632021-09-21T13:48:18.029+10:002021-09-21T13:48:18.029+10:00Hilary, we know that a lot of film and sports star...Hilary, we know that a lot of film and sports stars have a past, but rarely are the stories accurately revealed. Christine Keeler gossip documentaries are still on tv every night. Studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-70037671988650480382021-09-20T23:48:28.914+10:002021-09-20T23:48:28.914+10:00Hi Hels - I'm sure I've seen some of his f...Hi Hels - I'm sure I've seen some of his films ... as kids we used to so enjoy these sorts of films - I also knew he 'had a past' but certainly not the story ... fascinating - thanks for the post - cheers HilaryHilary Melton-Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596532480645510678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-34510127712287651682021-09-20T15:56:06.206+10:002021-09-20T15:56:06.206+10:00It is essential for good government that the judic...It is essential for good government that the judicial function is separated from the legislative and executive functions, and the judicial power is vested in independent judges. As in Australia, Britain etc. Judges in these countries can still make judicial or personal mistakes, of course, but they would not be mistakes on political party lines.<br /><br />But in America, Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the U.S Senate. So a racist, sexist or right wing President would tend to select judges who fitted nicely into his own philosophical views. Consider the judges' decisions in Texas just now, and look who appointed the most right wing of them.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-75515233683521507242021-09-20T09:54:18.033+10:002021-09-20T09:54:18.033+10:00I have wondered about the election of judges and p...I have wondered about the election of judges and prosecutors . It seems to me that the candidates will play to the most base of public opinion rather than doing what is right in the law and ethical. I am glad we don't have that system here. memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15192448988340897285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-54056327839858028792021-09-19T21:15:58.915+10:002021-09-19T21:15:58.915+10:00bazza
if a boy played (eg football) very well, th...bazza<br /><br />if a boy played (eg football) very well, the parents on the boundary used to yell "Up there Cazaly" if he took a screamer and "Fatty Arbuckle" if he played sluggishly. I too knew it was rude, but I also didn't remember it referring to a silent film star from 40 years earlier.<br /><br />Just a mention of the Hays Code starts up my old anxiety responses. We might have expected right wing and brutal McCarthyist responses to Hollywood actors, directors, writers and musicians in the 1950s, getting stronger as the Cold War strengthened. But where did the destructiveness of the Hays Code come from in the early 1920s?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-49022284376207679472021-09-19T19:39:55.658+10:002021-09-19T19:39:55.658+10:00I remember that, as schoolboys, we used to insult ...I remember that, as schoolboys, we used to insult each other by taunting, "Fatty Arbuckle" without knowing what the significance was. It was only much later that I learned he was a real person and later still, about the scandal. As you suggest, the Hays Office never really went away and there remains alarming double-standards in Hollywood today...<br /><b><a href="http://todiscoverice.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> CLICK HERE for Bazza’s mechanically mendacious Blog ‘To Discover Ice’</a></b>bazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794010156639774028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-38881929300739405382021-09-19T11:50:24.221+10:002021-09-19T11:50:24.221+10:00Hank
thank you for mentioning Methodist White Ter...Hank<br /><br />thank you for mentioning Methodist White Terror and Anti-Saloon League, at least regarding another case. I didn't find any debates in the Fatty Arbuckle case about religion and alcohol, but now I will have another look.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-69228417108671778842021-09-19T11:30:16.484+10:002021-09-19T11:30:16.484+10:00Luiz
I am not sure it was a mistake. I think that...Luiz<br /><br />I am not sure it was a mistake. I think that the police, prosecutors, newspaper editors and censors were pushing their political issues so hard, they rushed to judgement before the evidence was available. And they persisted, even after the court freed Arbuckle and apologised to him.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-57891968802822317702021-09-19T11:29:42.419+10:002021-09-19T11:29:42.419+10:00Thanks so much for clearing that up. I am still un...Thanks so much for clearing that up. I am still unsure of the meaning of the last 2 sentences, but have wondered that the brouhaha was all about for over two decades. It is odd to read about three trials when the Constitution is supposed to protect us from double jeopardy and witchhunts. Then again, the text of the Volstead Act makes it clear the Bill of Rights was superseded when the 16th and 18th Force Amendments took effect. A revenue act of 1908 mandated the poisoning of excise-exempt ethanol with methanol and other "denaturants." Blindness and death resulted and the Methodist White Terror and Anti-Saloon League shrugged those off as the just desserts of all who disobey "the" law. Only when this fanaticism collapsed the economy in 1920-1933 did voters finally scrape most of it off their parchment. --LIBtranslatorHank Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12600557947173137546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-26717813784249988872021-09-19T01:28:50.399+10:002021-09-19T01:28:50.399+10:00Boa tarde. Nunca ouvi falar desse erro tão terríve...Boa tarde. Nunca ouvi falar desse erro tão terrível. Parabéns pelo seu trabalho excelente. Um bom sábado e com muita saúde. Luiz Gomeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07701551526214852309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-37896637241132125582021-09-19T00:15:09.380+10:002021-09-19T00:15:09.380+10:00DUTA
Yes!! I looked up the rules for publishing e...DUTA<br /><br />Yes!! I looked up the rules for publishing evidence in newspapers, BEFORE the court case has been completed. NEVER<br />• report anything said in the absence of the jury<br />• reveal prior convictions<br />• breach any suppression orders<br />• publish reports that imply guilt or innocence of the accused<br />• publish reports, including interviews, that could affect witnesses<br />• publish confessions<br />• allow pictures of the accused where identity is an issue<br />• allow any contact with jurors.<br />Anyone reporting Committing Contempt may be fined or gaoled for a fixed period of time.<br /><br />Is this true outside Australia as well?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-89657236240867394932021-09-18T23:38:38.750+10:002021-09-18T23:38:38.750+10:00'Nothing new under the sun'. Even nowadays...'Nothing new under the sun'. Even nowadays, with all the progress made, human society destroys people and careers through, often, unfounded accusations.DUTAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979375799258978432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-40421120594334078522021-09-18T23:30:35.676+10:002021-09-18T23:30:35.676+10:00Fun60
there was no television in 1921-2 in the US...Fun60<br /><br />there was no television in 1921-2 in the US and radios were very expensive and rare. So you are quite right when you suggest that newspapers were the way to quickly spread gossip, malicious or otherwise. Look at the front page of the Oakland Tribunal 1921, complete with bulky black headlines and a spontaneous photo. <br /><br />Such front pages appeared all over the country, especially in William Randolph Hearst’s prestigious national newspapers. They were perfectly right in thinking "the more outrageous the headlines, regardless of truth, the more papers they would sell!" So your mum was right - a silly story became true, once it was widely published.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-71645088719179186222021-09-18T21:32:34.431+10:002021-09-18T21:32:34.431+10:00Your posts are always so interesting. I had heard ...Your posts are always so interesting. I had heard the name 'Fatty' Arbuckle many times but knew nothing about him other than he was a silent film actor. How easy it is for the media to ruin someone's reputation. I could never convince my mother that just because it was written in a newspaper that didn't mean it was true.Fun60https://www.blogger.com/profile/08084441984556826917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-71178942508046825932021-09-18T19:29:33.512+10:002021-09-18T19:29:33.512+10:00Parnassus
Hollywood might have been very averse t...Parnassus<br /><br />Hollywood might have been very averse to scandal, but the effort to wipe out scandal was inequitably applied. Naked boobs and unmarried couples in bed horrified the official censors, but wage exploitation was ignored, and racist portrayals went on without hesitation. <br /><br />The Code required that pictures be wholesome and moral *cough*, yet as you say, in many ways it might be even more entrenched decades after the Code.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-11183635563725181202021-09-18T19:21:56.981+10:002021-09-18T19:21:56.981+10:00Andrew
we will never know which male actors, film...Andrew<br /><br />we will never know which male actors, film directors and financiers abused their power over women they worked with. Even today, we have no certainty about Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen, Jeffrey Epstein's real behaviour. Imagine how difficult it was for the women, when thousands of men returned home after WW1 finally ended.<br /><br />But Arbuckle wasn't charged with sexual abuse. He was originally charged with murder, then reduced to manslaughter, but both of those crimes were ridiculous. Nobody believed he was ever involved in killing. Yet Matthew Brady, Will Hayes and their nasty colleagues continued to ruin Arbuckle's short life till the end, as you noted.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31444812506026973842021-09-18T19:04:19.110+10:002021-09-18T19:04:19.110+10:00LMK
my dad also loved silent films. But the only ...LMK<br /><br />my dad also loved silent films. But the only time he used the actor's name to me (in the mid 1950s) was warning not to eat chips or we would end up as little fatty arbuckles. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-69899595651064331742021-09-18T18:45:22.546+10:002021-09-18T18:45:22.546+10:00Hello Hels, It seems that Arbuckle's crime fo...Hello Hels, It seems that Arbuckle's crime for which he was blackballed was not murder, but instead attending the kind of low parties that you describe here. Hollywood was very averse to scandal, hence all of the arranged marriages and so forth. Mary Astor cut back her career supposedly due to health problems, but before that she had seriously scandalized the public with her wild private life. People think that "The Code" is gone, but in many ways it is more deeply entrenched than ever. Look how may acting careers have been ruined in recent years (albeit some of them deservedly) due to scandal.<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-70960867815260523592021-09-18T17:39:50.243+10:002021-09-18T17:39:50.243+10:00I've read a little about Arbuckle and his tria...I've read a little about Arbuckle and his trials and travails and I was always of the opinion he wasn't guilty. His life turned rather sad after the death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-21618812753902506742021-09-18T12:21:36.374+10:002021-09-18T12:21:36.374+10:00My father loved silent films as a little boy. I wo...My father loved silent films as a little boy. I wonder if he knew about Fatty Arbuckle.LMKnoreply@blogger.com