tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post816446002085748177..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Oscar Slater and a lack of British justiceHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-23736482584579860712014-02-15T02:09:46.643+11:002014-02-15T02:09:46.643+11:00Malc
that is amazing: unique photographs from the...Malc<br /><br />that is amazing: unique photographs from the OSCAR SLATER trial in 1909. I am very impressed that someone has the original photos and I am even more impressed that you located them.<br /><br />The photos "were taken by Raymond De Pinto in 1909 at the trial.<br />Raymond was a keen and quite well know photographer in Edinburgh at this time. He later, like his brother join the Leith Police".<br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-27441786447417910742014-02-15T02:01:38.330+11:002014-02-15T02:01:38.330+11:00http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201036631543&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT<br /><br />Thought this might be of interest.<br /><br />Kind Regards<br />MalcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-29527722741090583632014-02-03T20:12:56.314+11:002014-02-03T20:12:56.314+11:00umashankar
Thank you.
I think as hard as he batt...umashankar<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />I think as hard as he battled to right the wrongs done by the police, witnesses, judges, juries, politicians and newspaper editors, Slater had sod all chance of succeeding :( He was fortunate that he wasn't hanged.<br /><br />But Conan Doyle was a brave man too. His reputation, so carefully built up over his long career, could have been destroyed in a heartbeat. Supporting a German-speaking petty criminal against the respectable police and lawyers was a huge risk to take.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-61996543622775124442014-02-03T17:31:35.828+11:002014-02-03T17:31:35.828+11:00Hels,
I was glued to the post and it has been a r...Hels,<br /><br />I was glued to the post and it has been a revelation. Guess we have been like that since we lived in the caves. <br /><br />Thanks for bringing up a new facet of Sir Doyle. He is already the author of my favourite detective -no one comes closer. I am going to hold him in higher esteem for the rest of my life.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing this beautiful post.umashankarhttp://uspandey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-55522082219154674342014-02-02T03:21:27.529+11:002014-02-02T03:21:27.529+11:00UK Political News
thank you for commenting.
If ...UK Political News<br /><br />thank you for commenting. <br /><br />If you wanted to read about Oscar Slater and Arthur Conan Doyle, start with "The Case of Oscar Slater" (reference in the blog), then follow the article's recommendations for further reading.<br /><br />http://westminsteronline.org/conandoyle/TrueCrime_OscarSlaterCase.pdf<br />Helsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-54389050313697313162014-02-01T19:42:58.652+11:002014-02-01T19:42:58.652+11:00Andrew
right! No racial stereotyping by police, n...Andrew<br /><br />right! No racial stereotyping by police, no judges on the take, no barristers wanting to be on the High Court one day, no lying witnesses etc etc. <br /><br />Thank goodness we have moved past the abomination of capital punishment. The last hanging in Britain was 1964 and in Australia 1967.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-4520849859927622622014-02-01T13:44:46.190+11:002014-02-01T13:44:46.190+11:00Two good deeds, one punished, the other unapprecia...Two good deeds, one punished, the other unappreciated. Many bad deeds, without personal consequences. Of course I am pleased we live in enlightened times where no such miscarriages of justice occur! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-19154155332486556212014-02-01T10:53:12.684+11:002014-02-01T10:53:12.684+11:00elegancemaison
Interesting point, thanks. Conan D...elegancemaison<br /><br />Interesting point, thanks. Conan Doyle was born, raised and educated in Edinburgh, in arguably the best university medical school in the world. But he knew nothing about the law, except what he picked up as a very intelligent lay person. <br /><br />We have to assume that before he wrote the book and later threw himself into a great public campaign, Conan Doyle briefed himself very well on the Scottish legal system.<br /><br />He wrote endless crime fiction from 1889 till his death in 1930. Yet apart from the two cases mentioned, Conan Doyle never got involved in real life cases again. Perhaps the endless legal issues exhausted him.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-1657593329928991732014-02-01T10:41:48.329+11:002014-02-01T10:41:48.329+11:00Parnassus
when a crime is terrible, I imagine tha...Parnassus<br /><br />when a crime is terrible, I imagine that the community is terrified and the police are under terrible pressure to solve the case. That, as you say, is as true now as it ever war.<br /><br />Perhaps our legal systems are much more sophisticated now so that errors are not made, but there was something very scary when we examine who were Conan Doyle's victims. <br /><br />George Edalji was the socially inept son of an Indian man married to an English woman. And a bit weird as well - father and son always slept in the one bedroom... mother slept elsewhere. Oscar Slater was a poor immigrant living with a prostitute and getting involved in borderline businesses. The police zero'd in on these easy targets because they weren't pure white, middle class model citizens.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-9575697226241020262014-02-01T07:29:49.003+11:002014-02-01T07:29:49.003+11:00Hels thank you for another thought provoking post!...Hels thank you for another thought provoking post!<br /><br />However I must protest that this is not an example of 'British justice'. There is no such thing. The Scottish legal system up to the Appeal Courts is quite separate from that of England and Wales. <br /><br />Scottish criminal juries have always been able to return a 'majority' verdict. This is not true of the English system. There are other variations as well because the Scots system is inquisitorial like mainland European legal systems such as the Netherlands and France. Not adversarial as in England and Wales. <br /><br />I wonder if that was part of Conan Doyle's interest as Slater would not have been found guilty with less than a unanimous jury verdict in England. Just a thought!elegancemaisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043236515999573762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-28616163031758116852014-02-01T06:39:54.880+11:002014-02-01T06:39:54.880+11:00Hello Hels, It seems that not much has changed in...Hello Hels, It seems that not much has changed in 100 years. Cases are still prosecuted viciously based not on evidence but on a desire to punish some terrible crime. And we probably could have guessed that Slater would have been ungrateful after all of Conan Doyle's efforts. Even though the right course is obvious to us reasonable, thinking people, the same irrationalities are committed over and over.Parnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.com