tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post7050421250224762416..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: A Spanish mission in California? No! It is in Western Australia.Helshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-56465297251807980852015-05-04T02:01:07.826+10:002015-05-04T02:01:07.826+10:00Sir Marshall
there really was a link between the ...Sir Marshall<br /><br />there really was a link between the Benedictines in WA and alcohol!<br /><br />Along with the olive groves, vines were one of the first things planted by New Norcia’s founder Rosendo Salvado. But his successor was not as enthusiastic. Wine production increased and became more professional with the building of a stone winery at Wyening from 1914-1916. In 1916, 80 acres were under vines and in 1917 the first non-monastic vigneron was employed. Benedictine Abbey Wines then enjoyed their golden era with a full range of wines and spirits. <br /><br />http://www.newnorcia.wa.edu.au/visit-new-norcia/eat-and-drink/purchase-new-norcia-products.htmlHelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-88886137328466723522015-05-03T21:21:08.533+10:002015-05-03T21:21:08.533+10:00Mon Dieu. when I went to repair that tragic link I...Mon Dieu. when I went to repair that tragic link I found "It is claimed that at the Benedictine Abbey of Fécamp in Normandy, monks had developed a medicinal aromatic herbal beverage which was produced until the abbey's devastation during the French Revolution, but in fact Alexandre Le Grand invented the recipe himself, helped by a local chemist, and he told this story to connect the liqueur with the city history to increase sales."iODynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394268529143990889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-27042940797960432092015-05-03T21:15:41.191+10:002015-05-03T21:15:41.191+10:00thanks for that link Hels, and never mind the wate...thanks for that link Hels, and never mind the water I went straight in <br />( CNTL+F then enter 'wine') looking for <a href="liquor.com/brands/benedictine/" rel="nofollow"> the Benedictin liqueur</a> ... but sadly found only their blanc de blancs.iODynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394268529143990889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-77815195951427681332015-05-03T18:43:25.621+10:002015-05-03T18:43:25.621+10:00Ann
it is a truly amazing town, so clearly they h...Ann<br /><br />it is a truly amazing town, so clearly they had the resources AND the technologies to make it all happen. Both the first time around (mid 19th century) and the renovations (2011-12-13).<br /><br />http://www.newnorcia.wa.edu.au/cms/resources/1338865798magazinepdfdraft6.pdfHelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-28736575713090608872015-05-03T18:37:12.922+10:002015-05-03T18:37:12.922+10:00Jim
that is such an interesting point. Salvado an...Jim<br /><br />that is such an interesting point. Salvado and Serra both spent a great deal of energy amassing resources for their New Norcia mission, even at the expense of competing projects in and around Perth. Whenever the Perth communities opposed the money pouring into New Norcia, Dom Serra simply by-passed the local decision-makers and went to Europe to raise funds.<br /><br />It shows!Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-71646613120106783532015-05-03T18:33:05.768+10:002015-05-03T18:33:05.768+10:00Parnassus
I agree that there was often much bias ...Parnassus<br /><br />I agree that there was often much bias for or against these places and that the various biases need to be taken into account when reviewing old source material. <br /><br />But I cannot find too much outside source material to analyse in the Australian case. The Archives seem to consist mainly of material generated by the staff of the New Norcia Mission. <br /><br />For example Pope Gregory XVI appointed John Brady as first Bishop of Perth in 1845. Brady moved fairly quickly to open Catholic schools, churches and religious orders, and supported the foundation of the Spanish Benedictine monastery of New Norcia. I can understand that the Bishop’s vision did not coincide with Serra’s vision, but I cannot find why the Bishop of Perth was suspended in 1851 as a result of the clashes and later resigned. And even if it was true, does it matter that the Mission Archives seem unbalanced? ummm YES.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-81022375191150578952015-05-03T17:04:18.830+10:002015-05-03T17:04:18.830+10:00"underpaid and underfed" is probably the..."underpaid and underfed" is probably the case with the Franciscans too, and We Travel has forgotten that convicts were sent to Freo and the goldrushers came from many countries in 1847 and Dirk Hartog got there in the 17thC as well.<br />Every time I read about Victoria's billion dollar water plans I recall the pipeline 150 years ago that went out to Kalgoorlie and wonder how we cannot repeat that feat with all our modern equipment.Ann ODynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01159263330547329077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-57284928618791216562015-05-03T11:01:38.675+10:002015-05-03T11:01:38.675+10:00The West Aussie one looks quite flash.The West Aussie one looks quite flash.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16361781616939928650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-8847395147866836182015-05-03T04:51:15.712+10:002015-05-03T04:51:15.712+10:00Hello Hels, What a surprise to see a full-blown M...Hello Hels, What a surprise to see a full-blown Mission in Australia. My guess would be that it operated somewhat differently from the California missions, especially politically, but these are fascinating research questions. (Especially so if they give you access to those 60,000 negatives and other archives.)<br /><br />In America, it seems that one is always a stone's throw from some religious compound or ideal community, past or present. Often there was much bias for or against these places, which must be taken into account when reviewing old source material.<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-85877460321500503122015-05-03T00:54:11.868+10:002015-05-03T00:54:11.868+10:00foto fanatic
Spouse and I lived in Perth for a fe...foto fanatic<br /><br />Spouse and I lived in Perth for a few years and loved it. We discovered every inch of Fremantle, Mandurah, Bunbury, Albany, Kalgoorlie etc, but nobody ever mentioned Australia's only monasterial town.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-85671621806922934402015-05-03T00:41:59.258+10:002015-05-03T00:41:59.258+10:00Andrew
I think that book opened many peoples'...Andrew<br /><br />I think that book opened many peoples' eyes, even Austalians who thought they knew their own country. Now we have to learn more by going on the New Norcia Heritage Trail, a 2 km walk that links up all the important sites in the town.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-24553542969464294592015-05-02T16:48:43.655+10:002015-05-02T16:48:43.655+10:00Amazing! I was completely unaware of such a place....Amazing! I was completely unaware of such a place.the foto fanatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17234840691455844914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-81254109369979902892015-05-02T13:41:29.680+10:002015-05-02T13:41:29.680+10:00I first became aware of New Norcia when a book cal...I first became aware of New Norcia when a book called A Day in the Life of Australia was published in 1981 and I bought it. I've since tuned my ear to anything about New Norcia and an interesting place it was and is. I just had the book out and there are several photos but none showing the building(s) properly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-7576024555250342512015-05-02T11:52:16.334+10:002015-05-02T11:52:16.334+10:00We Travel
I easily found information about Rosend...We Travel<br /><br />I easily found information about Rosendo Salvado and Joseph Serra. They were Spanish born and educated, and became Benedictine monks and close friends in Santiago de Compostela monastery. Both were very keen to offer themselves for work in foreign missions. They worked in Subiaco, Fremantle, Guildford, York, Albany and Bunbury, and there were plenty of trips back to Europe. <br /><br />But so far I have not found anything about how the British colonial decision makers felt about Spanish Benedictine monks taking up land and establishing services from 1846 on.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-17959199091335316402015-05-02T11:10:01.949+10:002015-05-02T11:10:01.949+10:00What were two Spanish Benedictine monks doing in a...What were two Spanish Benedictine monks doing in a British colony like Western Australia? It looks as if they travelled to Mexico or USA and copied the church as best they could.We Travelnoreply@blogger.com