tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post6236267665207243807..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: Isle of Man Internment Camps, 1940Helshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-53046951763639080022018-11-13T10:26:27.398+11:002018-11-13T10:26:27.398+11:00Unknown
I hope your dad survived well and shared ...Unknown<br /><br />I hope your dad survived well and shared all his stories and photos with you.<br /><br />For records, the best place to start is The Library & Archive Service: Internment During<br />World Wars 1 & 2: The Isle Of Man’s Role.<br /> https://manxnationalheritage.im/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CG4-Internment-Nov2015.pdf<br /><br />In order to use the Reading Room at the Manx Museum or the iMuseum you need to register your contact details. Proof of ID showing your current address is required. Go to it :)Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-65733048026618860822018-11-13T04:32:16.165+11:002018-11-13T04:32:16.165+11:00My father was interned on the Isle of Man during W...My father was interned on the Isle of Man during WW2 - he was living on the Faroe Islands but not a Danish citizen, hence considered an 'enemy alien'. I have tried but been totally unable to find any related records.<br /><br />Any suggestions on where to search would be welcome.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14681942414679789744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-79602780370834250632014-04-11T21:22:24.634+10:002014-04-11T21:22:24.634+10:00Erik
Examine the material collected by the Manx M...Erik<br /><br />Examine the material collected by the Manx Museum and see if it is for you.<br /><br />Manx National Heritage,<br />Kingswood Grove,<br />Douglas, Isle of Man IM1 3LY<br />01624 648000<br />library@mnh.gov.im<br /><br />http://www.manxnationalheritage.im/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/CG4-Internment_Web.pdf <br /><br />If you do place your family treasures in an archive, make sure you get a complete photographic record for yourself first.<br /><br />Yes this was a very disageeable part of the UK's WW2 history, but far from forgotten. Every time I give a paper on the 1930s and 40s in Britain, every child and grandchild of a Jewish Isle of Man prisoner turns up. They will never forget.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-59614266480185612982014-04-11T02:44:37.834+10:002014-04-11T02:44:37.834+10:00My grandfather was interned in the Promenade Camp ...My grandfather was interned in the Promenade Camp in Douglas from July 1940 to January 1941.<br /><br />I have pesonal letters, a camp newsletter and the programme for a Camp Revue (September 1940)<br /><br />I also have the musical composition for piano written by my grandfather which we have just had transcribed and recorded - it was played for the first time since 1940 on April 7th 2014 - exactly 40 years after he passed away.<br /><br />Would be glad to make these documents and music available publicly.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179304658297626903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-86092312698101153202014-04-11T02:30:04.539+10:002014-04-11T02:30:04.539+10:00Hi, my Grandfather was interned in Douglas Central...Hi, my Grandfather was interned in Douglas Central Promenade Camp from July 1940 to January 1941 when he was released for health reasons.<br /><br />I have some 17 letters written by him during the earlier part of his internment,some classical music he wrote which we have just transcribed and have had recorded plus a couple of documents produced by the detainees - a newsletter dated November 21 1940.<br /><br />This is a forgotten and disageeable part of the UK's WW2 history, particularly for the Jewish refugees like my grandfather.<br /><br />Please let me know where I can send these documents so they are available for historians researching the internment camps. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179304658297626903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-72175017315425772072014-01-10T15:34:34.377+11:002014-01-10T15:34:34.377+11:00Knockaloe on the Isle of Man was the largest inter...Knockaloe on the Isle of Man was the largest internment camp in Britain during WW1. I have added a reference to "Prisoners of Britain: German Civilian and Combatant Internees During the First World War" by Panikos Panayi. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31643487536168651712013-03-30T21:54:23.091+11:002013-03-30T21:54:23.091+11:00Barbara,
Your father was twice unbelievably lucky...Barbara,<br /><br />Your father was twice unbelievably lucky. Firstly the SS Arandora Star, taking Austrian and German Jews from the Isle of Man to Canada in July 1940, was sunk with enormous loss of life. Secondly he returned, presumably voluntarily!!<br /><br />Please contact the Dunera Museum in Hay re your father's history. They will tell you who keeps the relevant archives.<br /><br />Thank you for writing. I wish you had been at the conference where I gave the paper on the Isle of Man Internment Camps.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-82652612988883251992013-03-29T18:56:29.277+11:002013-03-29T18:56:29.277+11:00My father was interned in 1940 in the IOM Douglas ...My father was interned in 1940 in the IOM Douglas camp and I have his letters from that time describing this time. He was sent on to Canada and returned in mid 1941. he was an Austrian (Jewish) refugee who had been rescued by the Czech Refugee Trust fund, as a political activist. You can contact me if interested.<br />BarbaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-77696171396561305842013-02-20T07:31:01.705+11:002013-02-20T07:31:01.705+11:00Allan B
thanks for your note. I knew boarding hou...Allan B<br /><br />thanks for your note. I knew boarding houses were taken over semi involuntarily, but I hadn't thought through the fact that your grandparents were virtually _evicted_ from their own house. <br /><br />This doesn't mean the internment of so-called Enemy Aliens wasn't extra-legal and cruel. But it does mean the number of victims was larger than I had thought. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-89555723599356645122013-02-20T07:23:27.727+11:002013-02-20T07:23:27.727+11:00Harry
"Makes you consider what other secrets...Harry<br /><br />"Makes you consider what other secrets are still to be unearthed by our caring society". True true, especially regarding war time secrets. It is the historian's task to comb the official records (after they are declassified 30 years later), but also to take oral histories from unofficial records.<br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-74230888951067032822013-02-20T06:13:25.532+11:002013-02-20T06:13:25.532+11:00Ref comment by David Thompson stating that IOM dur...Ref comment by David Thompson stating that IOM during the period of internment was a place of crulety.Nothing could be further from the truth, my grandparents house in Onchan was taken over as part of an imternment camp . they always said that the internees were fairly treated, which was more than could be said for my grandparents who were virtually evicted from their house to make way for the internees. Allan BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-84522716326320377672012-07-05T11:48:01.241+10:002012-07-05T11:48:01.241+10:00David
Many thanks. I haven't thought about t...David <br /><br />Many thanks. I haven't thought about this topic for a while, until I started looking at what happened to Jersey, Guernsey and Alderney from 1940-1945. Now I am asking some new and interesting questions about the Isle of Man.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-75698765407483315072012-07-05T11:20:36.645+10:002012-07-05T11:20:36.645+10:00For 50 years i have lived on the Isle Of Man and w...For 50 years i have lived on the Isle Of Man and was indeed born here.<br /><br />Very little information or archives relating to internment camps is available here, although thanks to the invention of internet technology and the ability to investigate these stories, the Island's convenience to the UK government, is becoming clearer.<br /><br />Seems to suit the United Kingdom to use the Island when profitable to them, bearing in mind since Norse times, the jurisdiction is like black and white to England.<br /><br />Makes you consider what other secrets are still to be unearthed by our caring society?<br /><br />Loved your information, thank you.Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-84696749541041097502012-01-18T03:43:25.481+11:002012-01-18T03:43:25.481+11:00David,
I suppose the authorities thought that the...David,<br /><br />I suppose the authorities thought that the Isle of Man a] was remote enough for security not to be a problem and b] had all the necessary residential facilities already in place. <br /><br />I also suppose we can understand the fear of a dangerous fifth column in Britain, if thousands of ex-German and ex-Italian citizens were allowed to live unsupervised.<br /><br />But the internment programme was nasty and with very little nod to natural justice. 14,000 enemy aliens herded behind barbed wire? Good grief. <br /><br />The Dunera story, from the Isle of Man to Australia, is also difficult for us to read:<br />http://melbourneblogger.blogspot.com/2009/11/dunera-and-its-jewish-internees-in-1940.htmlHelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-32152371460121943052012-01-18T03:23:53.597+11:002012-01-18T03:23:53.597+11:00Anon
A few years ago I gave a paper at a conferen...Anon<br /><br />A few years ago I gave a paper at a conference on the Isle of Man camps. I think everybody in Australia who had a father, uncle or grandfather on the Isle of Man, or on the Dunera ship, turned up. You have never seen such a large, or interested, crowd.<br /><br />More and more information is becoming available, so I hope you can track your grandfather's history easily. But I warn you... it may not be a happy story.<br /><br />Thanks for the book reference. I'll add it to the post.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-7193155792650817002012-01-17T04:34:58.659+11:002012-01-17T04:34:58.659+11:00Finding this all very interesting as it has just c...Finding this all very interesting as it has just come to light that my grandfather was interned in the Peel camp on the Isle of Man in 1940 and released 1941.I never knew him personally but he has a mention in a book I have yet to read called "In the Highest Degree Odious, detention without trial in Wartime Britain" by A.W.Brian Simpson, a leading academic lawyer. First published by Oxford Uni Press 1992. I do know that he was a very good draughtsman and later founded an Arts Society in Southampton where my family currently still live. Hoping to research more so thanks for this info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-85656489266767580912009-12-01T04:59:37.618+11:002009-12-01T04:59:37.618+11:00Very interesting Hels. In my childhood in Norther...Very interesting Hels. In my childhood in Northern Ireland in the late 60s and early 70s, the Isle of Man was seen as a holiday destination. It seemed that my grandparents went there every year. I can remember spending two family holidays there myself.<br /><br />It is strange now to think of it as a place of cruelty and torment.David Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08559022801796129763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-24385347642719635432009-11-25T21:41:12.781+11:002009-11-25T21:41:12.781+11:00Thank you !Thank you !Cathiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05771934059350667688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-32685314219276431432009-11-24T13:45:41.325+11:002009-11-24T13:45:41.325+11:00Catherine L wrote...
I would be very interested ...Catherine L wrote... <br /><br />I would be very interested in additional information on the Isle of Man camps - or any documentation, and also for teaching purposes, as this is very little known in France.<br />Thanks for your help.<br /><br /><br />Hels answered....<br /><br />palace and Catherine L, I have not done any of my own research on the British internment camps, but hopefully these two references will prove useful. More and more evidence will be coming to light, without doubt.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.com