tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post5537462463529613934..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: The Holocaust in Ukraine: a new historyHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31646560728041941252016-01-03T00:06:33.296+11:002016-01-03T00:06:33.296+11:00Many thanks. This was a book I had not seen or rea...Many thanks. This was a book I had not seen or read. But I did see the review by David Engel in Haaretz (30th Sept 2015). <br /><br />When Germany invaded the old Russian lands in 1941, it offered former Soviet accomplices a chance to rehabilitate themselves by helping to kill Jews. In regions such as Ukraine and the Baltic, where many collaborators were also local nationalists, the new occupiers were able to outsource much of the killing to locals, who thought that by murdering Jews they would gain German support for their own political goals. Where local nationalism was weaker, as in north-eastern Poland, the Nazis needed to do more of the work on their own. Thus Engel concluded, it was not the strength or weakness of states that determined those Jews’ fate, but the attitude of particular governments toward the Jews under their control.<br />Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-66507176573570015952016-01-01T10:30:40.194+11:002016-01-01T10:30:40.194+11:00In Black Earth, Timothy Snyder showed that where s...In Black Earth, Timothy Snyder showed that where state institutions remained intact (even under Nazi occupation), Jews were better insulated from the extermination programmes. In Balgium and Denmark (occupied by Germany but with its institutions of state left relatively unmauled), virtually all the Jews alive at the time of the German invasion in 1940 survived. In Estonia, Poland, Lithuania and Latvia (where pre-war state institutions were completely destroyed) the figures were all over 90% exterminated. <br /><br />To a degree, the genocide in Ukraine was different. It could be regarded as a Joint Creation of the German invaders and the Ukrainian invaded.<br /><br />Black Earth<br />History Today<br />October 2015History Todayhttp://www.historytoday.com/reviews/black-earth-holocaust-history-and-warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-20088450901258159842015-10-29T09:19:00.181+11:002015-10-29T09:19:00.181+11:00Mandy
*nod* it is very difficult to find journal ...Mandy<br /><br />*nod* it is very difficult to find journal articles that carefully analyse pre-existing anti-Semitism.. and its re-emergence when local communities feel threatened. Although I feel I know far more about Poland (eg read Carla Tonini) than say France.<br /><br />So where can we get information from? From listening to the stories of out parents and their friends, yes, but that evidence seems very anecdotal and not analytically researched. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-84799138263862893062015-10-29T00:16:51.853+11:002015-10-29T00:16:51.853+11:00I would tend to agree with you Hels. And I see sim...I would tend to agree with you Hels. And I see similarities between the Ukrainians and French - when locals felt threatened, they found it surprisingly easy tfor unearth anti-Semitic tendencies and scapegoat the Jewish population to save themselves. Mandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931248631361366673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-60468362387027860262015-10-07T16:11:52.386+11:002015-10-07T16:11:52.386+11:00Andrew
Ukraine lost many more citizens than that....Andrew<br /><br />Ukraine lost many more citizens than that. In a tragic 6 years, 3,000,000 Ukrainian citizens were killed as part of Nazi extermination policies, and millions of others died of hunger or disease. Finally there were millions who had been evacuated to safety in the Stans, many who did not return after WW2 ended. <br /><br />In 1939, the population of the Ukrainian SSR was 31.8 million. By 1946 the population (accounting for border changes) was probably 20 million.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-19865005011408669402015-10-07T09:59:45.856+11:002015-10-07T09:59:45.856+11:00Holocaust numbers don't usually shock me anymo...Holocaust numbers don't usually shock me anymore, but 3,000,000 Ukrainians alone killed does. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-22516634814496583662015-10-07T03:20:35.806+11:002015-10-07T03:20:35.806+11:00Dina
RN described it as The Tashkent Ark. In the ...Dina<br /><br />RN described it as The Tashkent Ark. In the months that followed the German catastrophe, Soviet authorities offered civilians a way of leaving the western war fronts into the safety of their eastern lands. The Urals, Siberia, the Middle Volga, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan together received 16 million evacuees, especially Tashkent. It remains the largest organised protection of a civilian population in history. <br /><br />My aunt went from Ukraine to Tashkent in 1941 and also survived. By the way, she came to love Tashkent and didn't return to Ukraine, even after the war.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-46296681250992676242015-10-06T23:30:59.265+11:002015-10-06T23:30:59.265+11:00As soon as the Germans invaded Russia and the Ukra...As soon as the Germans invaded Russia and the Ukraine, the Russians tried to save their Jews by moving them to the East. My parents went from Kiev to Kazakhstan and survived.Dinanoreply@blogger.com