tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post5377555001300146775..comments2024-03-28T22:50:02.315+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: London's East End - my grandmother's lifeHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-15478217114398036712014-06-20T00:22:47.579+10:002014-06-20T00:22:47.579+10:00Mandy
nod... I also had only the vaguest of infor...Mandy<br /><br />nod... I also had only the vaguest of information, absorbed from my grandmother's stories. <br /><br />The original census data provide a goldmine of reliable history. But be prepared... some of it is heart-breaking eg of the 14 full term pregnancies, many died in childhood.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-200473060856482752014-06-19T18:45:46.927+10:002014-06-19T18:45:46.927+10:00What a fascinating post. This makes me want to get...What a fascinating post. This makes me want to get a better idea of my own family history. I knows the bare facts but not how they lived. Mandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931248631361366673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-722968288898495652014-06-15T13:48:58.369+10:002014-06-15T13:48:58.369+10:00Dad
I have heard many times of surnames being cha...Dad<br /><br />I have heard many times of surnames being changed as families pass through Immigration officials, either on purpose or because the officials didn't hear properly. But I have never heard of families adopting a famous politician's surname. Cool!Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-37362539844967480412014-06-12T14:24:18.866+10:002014-06-12T14:24:18.866+10:00Helen this is your father speaking. The family'...Helen this is your father speaking. The family's surname was changed when they arrived in London. I think their old surname sounded too Eastern European. My mother said they took on the surname of a famous politician in the British Parliament, even though he was no relation whatsoever.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-46850999920551802712014-06-01T13:59:15.787+10:002014-06-01T13:59:15.787+10:00Parnassus
that seems to be true for every newly a...Parnassus<br /><br />that seems to be true for every newly arrived refugee group, running away from persecution or grinding poverty at home. They are so grateful to be offered safe haven, they will live in any circumstances... at least for the first generation: cramped East End houses, divided into rooms; New York tenements, Nissan huts in Australia or ma'abarot camps in Israel.<br /><br />Usually the first generation's children try to move to somewhere cleaner, bigger, more comfortable.<br /><br />Re soup, imagine the debates between the Northern Russians, Poles and Ukrainians :) Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-23276726559899089222014-06-01T02:41:36.978+10:002014-06-01T02:41:36.978+10:00Hello Hels, It seems that London's East End i...Hello Hels, It seems that London's East End is similar in some ways to the immigration in New York City. I have come across a number of accounts of living in the New York tenements, often from those who started there and did well. Musicians like Irving Berlin and comedians like Alan King come to mind.<br /><br />By the way, how do you think the matzo balls were in that Jewish Soup Kitchen?<br />--Jim<br />Parnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-79829360876621597362014-05-31T20:38:36.503+10:002014-05-31T20:38:36.503+10:00Jane and Lance
I have come back to the East End i...Jane and Lance<br /><br />I have come back to the East End in this blog a number of times. It is fascinating historically, because of the different populations that arrived, the evolving architecture, the diverse religious institutions, specialist arts and crafts, and the markets. My final art history thesis was about the Huguenot silver artists after they were expelled from France :)<br /><br />But you are the first family I know who moved back into a gentrified East End. What a great decision.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-83135590205251404462014-05-31T20:20:19.310+10:002014-05-31T20:20:19.310+10:00Kirk
I didn't know the name Shadwell until I ...Kirk<br /><br />I didn't know the name Shadwell until I was trying to pin down a suburb for Cable St. <br /><br />But you are right.. people were very good to the new citizens. Partially for pragmatic reasons (eg because their labour was essential for the economy) and partially because there was a real commitment to provide a safe haven in Britain. I like your grandfather!Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-73615289357717605292014-05-31T20:06:23.536+10:002014-05-31T20:06:23.536+10:00Student
Yes - impoverished and desperately short ...Student<br /><br />Yes - impoverished and desperately short of space, but with a strong sense of community and very very safe. So it was a nightmare when the Fascists chose, out of the entire UK, the East End for the 1936 battle.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-62646984629350184912014-05-31T19:50:14.757+10:002014-05-31T19:50:14.757+10:00Hello Helen,
An interesting and personal account ...Hello Helen,<br /><br />An interesting and personal account of this area of London which we know reasonably although not well.<br /><br />When we lived in London we were very close to Brick Lane and the gentrification of that area and Spitalfields has been extraordinary in the last few years. It is so intriguing to learn through you of its origins and its place as an avant garde stronghold.<br /><br />Mark Gertler is an interesting artist. We watched the film Carrington recently but are uncertain how accurate the picture of him portrayed in the film was reflected in real life.Jane and Lance Hattatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831890261259302647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-32763788559941105092014-05-31T19:35:56.437+10:002014-05-31T19:35:56.437+10:00Dear Hels,
An interesting article. My grandfather...Dear Hels,<br />An interesting article. My grandfather's family owned a lot of property in Shadwell, and Bromley prior to the population explosion. Apparently with the influx of eastern european immigrants arriving, my irascible great grandfather would sally forth with his sons to dispense charity to all teaching them (his sons) that differences in ethnicity and religion were irreverent when it came to helping others in need.<br />One member of the family eventually married into a sephardi family. I believe that they had been in London since the 18th century.<br />KirkAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642768891794895642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-56157071239315002552014-05-31T12:45:18.874+10:002014-05-31T12:45:18.874+10:00I heard you give a paper on the Cable St riots by ...I heard you give a paper on the Cable St riots by Sir Oswald Mosley and his Fascists. 1936 showed that the East End of London was not always a warm, happy place for British Jews.Student of Historynoreply@blogger.com