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That makes perfect sense. It was not that ...Victor<br /><br />That makes perfect sense. It was not that France and Italy had a lot of Islamic doctors... it was that some Christian scholars could study, read and translate from the Arabic language. Thank you.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-90319629218474018832017-01-25T12:25:39.914+11:002017-01-25T12:25:39.914+11:00Right. And not just Iraq, Persia, Syria and Egypt....Right. And not just Iraq, Persia, Syria and Egypt. <br /><br />Islamic medicine spread far beyond the bounds of the Muslim world, making Arabic the international language of science in the late Middle Ages. In the city of Montpellier in southern France, the 13th century scholar Arnau de Villanova studied, taught and translated Arabic. In 1593 Avicenna's Canon of Medicine was published in Rome by the Medici's prestigious press. Despite there having been a Latin version since the 12th century, it was published in Arabic as a mark of the prestige and scholarship of the edition.<br /><br />Víctor Pallejà de BustinzaVíctor Pallejà de Bustinzahttp://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2016/11-12/muslim-medicine-scientific-discovery-islam/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-1638452201334694802016-06-05T01:26:04.349+10:002016-06-05T01:26:04.349+10:00Mandy
agreed. That should prove to us all that
a]...Mandy<br /><br />agreed. That should prove to us all that<br />a] history is not linear i.e starting in miserable caves and moving relentlessly onwards to more and more progress. Instead, I would say that Greek-Roman medicine was clever, followed by Dark Ages superstition, then Renaissance learning, then Industrial Revolution with horrific coal mine diseases/deaths and poor houses etc etc<br />b] learning was not, as you say, the prerogative of the West. There were centuries when the Islamic and Chinese empires made Western civilisation look primitive.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-68017781433877228122016-06-04T16:49:50.737+10:002016-06-04T16:49:50.737+10:00I hope those buildings survive the war! In our (my...I hope those buildings survive the war! In our (my) Eurocentric world, it is so easy to forget that the Middle East was the pinnacle of advancement and innovation in the Middle Ages when us Europeans were primarily living on farms and in slums. Mandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931248631361366673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-29935304719643638682016-05-30T17:08:43.171+10:002016-05-30T17:08:43.171+10:00mem
that is very impressive ... how far back were...mem<br /><br />that is very impressive ... how far back were your relatives doctors in Ireland? If it was back to the pre-census days ( i.e before The Census Act of 1800), how did you trace the story? My grandmother and mother always promised that my maternal line was brilliant, educated and cultivated, but I suspect they were just plodders who could write well :)<br /><br />I love programmes like Who Do You Think You Are because they always throw up such surprises, both good and bad. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-17057355922182327072016-05-29T22:55:41.426+10:002016-05-29T22:55:41.426+10:00A very interesting topic . I hope those marvellous...A very interesting topic . I hope those marvellous buildings will survive the current war ! My ancestors were doctors in Ireland . Their positions were hereditary and they fulfilled the role of poet musician and doctor to the ancient kings of Ulster , the Maguire . Apparently their are medical texts probably written in Gaelic from the 1300 or thereabouts , written by these " doctors" in the library at Trinity College Dublin . I would love to go and read them ! I wonder if the patient was sung to or had poetry recited to them if the "cur " dint work 😳memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520080648914042943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-73729615279078590472016-05-28T12:43:09.975+10:002016-05-28T12:43:09.975+10:00Parnassus
it breaks my heart when historically si...Parnassus<br /><br />it breaks my heart when historically significant buildings are pulled down and for what - a cark park? a fast food shop? I was heart broken when they tried to destroy the Cleveland Street Workhouse in London next to where Charles Dickens for most of his young life. Presumably Oliver Twist was located in that workhouse. <br /><br />The destruction in that case failed. But how many other important historical or architectural sites were knowingly and wilfully vandalised by local government.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-34741149889090004162016-05-28T12:35:59.266+10:002016-05-28T12:35:59.266+10:00Jarek
thank you. Have you seen any of the survivi...Jarek<br /><br />thank you. Have you seen any of the surviving facilities? What was the most impressive part?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-69753592951669696532016-05-28T09:17:55.169+10:002016-05-28T09:17:55.169+10:00Hello Hels, Regarding the comment above, this is ...Hello Hels, Regarding the comment above, this is just the kind of book I would like to read for fun. So much of ancient western culture and science was preserved through Islamic venues, that I am not surprised to read about their advances in medicine. <br /><br />The fact that here are still some of those medieval hospitals left makes it a shame that so many more recent (i.e., Victorian) hospitals are being lost, often without much of a struggle or even documentation.<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-18090678468678158632016-05-24T16:11:13.823+10:002016-05-24T16:11:13.823+10:00Very interesting post and beautiful picturesVery interesting post and beautiful picturesJarekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03950508056644649744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-78907698534512776232016-05-22T10:59:08.810+10:002016-05-22T10:59:08.810+10:00Lord Cowell
agreed. That is always the issue for ...Lord Cowell<br /><br />agreed. That is always the issue for historians, using their 21st century brains to put themselves into a geographically distant country, with an unfamiliar set of values, in a very different century. <br /><br />But the point Prof Ragab was making was that the medieval hospitals in Islamic cities and their staff were not unconsciously incompetent. They were very careful with cleanliness, medicines, surgery, drugs etc, reading the famous ancient medical works and writing new medical texts in Arabic.<br /><br />If any medical system looked unscientific in the medieval era, it was not in Islamic cities. Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-90099498562928614362016-05-22T08:55:47.980+10:002016-05-22T08:55:47.980+10:00Yes, after the progress made in the classical worl...Yes, after the progress made in the classical world, the east being a part of that, the dark ages certainly did much to plunge mankind back into ignorance for a prolonged period. However, I think sometimes we can be a little harsh judging those who had to practice / live through that period. They were not personally responsible for being born in that time and were trying to do their best despite being unconsciously incompetent. I still know of some practicing midwives who actively counsel against women having pain relief during labour as childbirth is a natural thing and the pain is all a beautiful part of it. That sounds a little medieval to me!Lord Cowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08022567039394790375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-70902270504515503662016-05-22T01:00:40.006+10:002016-05-22T01:00:40.006+10:00Train Man
Not as scary as operations and amputati...Train Man<br /><br />Not as scary as operations and amputations attempted in medieval Christian Europe where pain served God's purpose and was not to be alleviated! <br /><br />In medieval Islamic countries, the doctors developed a large number of anaesthetics. They included a wide range of medical plants as well as ice as an efficient and safe mode of local anaesthesia even though there might be an increase in the pain at the beginning. According to Ibn Sina (Avicenna), opium was the most powerful, then mandrake, papaveris, henbane or hyocyamus, hemlock etc. These drugs, especially opium, were used as local anaesthetics in dental cases, earache, eye pain and joint pain in gout.<br /><br />http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/anaesthesia-1000-years-ago-i#sec2Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-51312672329754162202016-05-21T22:28:06.803+10:002016-05-21T22:28:06.803+10:00The case of surgical instruments in Copenhagen loo...The case of surgical instruments in Copenhagen looks quite modern and effective for operations and amputations. Scary howeverTrain Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-45897378978200732882016-05-21T14:34:12.279+10:002016-05-21T14:34:12.279+10:00Deb
I loved the Hospices de Beaune too. The mult...Deb <br /><br />I loved the Hospices de Beaune too. The multi-coloured, multi gabled roof stands out in the landscape, so clearly some Duke was throwing loads of money at the institution. But I agree it is the curtained four-poster beds are down both sides of the Great Hall that most attract our attention. And the Roger van der Weyden chapel that the residents could see from bed, even if they couldn't stand up. <br /><br />So what were Beaune's priorities - clean and comfortable beds, quality meals and spiritual nourishment from the nuns and in the chapel. If I was sick in 1450s France, those are the medical priorities I would have valued most.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-63765785927217142472016-05-21T14:22:58.519+10:002016-05-21T14:22:58.519+10:00Andrew
I would not have bought that book in a boo...Andrew<br /><br />I would not have bought that book in a bookshop either, but I started with The David Collection of Applied Arts in Copenhagen which is fascinating. Then you know how it is; one reference links to a second, then a third pops up at work, then someone comes back from Cairo and mentions a fourth reference. Thus I unexpectedly arrived at Prof Ahmed Ragab's book.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-16684294464947903522016-05-21T10:23:55.758+10:002016-05-21T10:23:55.758+10:00You will remember discussing the 15th century char...You will remember discussing the 15th century charitable almshouse/hospital for the poor in Beaune. Our visit was memorable. I best remember the chapel and the Room of the Poor. Debnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-3243488931526840622016-05-21T08:14:25.187+10:002016-05-21T08:14:25.187+10:00While it doesn't sound like a book I would rea...While it doesn't sound like a book I would read for pleasure, what you have written raises many questions in my mind that no doubt the book would answer in detail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com