tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post4995950050531395212..comments2024-03-19T21:37:47.131+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: William Abdullah Quilliam, Islam and the British EmpireHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-64765261070777945442022-03-16T12:26:34.630+11:002022-03-16T12:26:34.630+11:00Johnson Partnership Solicitors Derby
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The issue with fiction is that it is difficu...Anon<br /><br />The issue with fiction is that it is difficult to know what is totally grounded in fact, what has a nodding acquaintance with fact and what is totally made up. In this case, you were spot on :) Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-66752648299814566632016-07-22T08:30:07.110+10:002016-07-22T08:30:07.110+10:00If you read HG Wells War of the Worlds then you wi...If you read HG Wells War of the Worlds then you will find in chapter 9 that 'the pinnacle of the mosque had vanished'. This is how I came to know of the mosque in Woking! Did not realise that there were mosques so long ago in Britain...you learn something new everyday!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-61130000308167861592012-07-27T03:54:13.951+10:002012-07-27T03:54:13.951+10:00Phik
I don´t know the first thing about Facebook,...Phik<br /><br />I don´t know the first thing about Facebook, alas. But I would warmly recommend Ron Geaves' book called Islam in Victorian Britain: The Life and Times of Abdullah Quilliam (Kube Publishing, 2010).Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-45676256014742842312012-07-26T19:25:07.346+10:002012-07-26T19:25:07.346+10:00hey i'am from indonesian and i'am a muslim...hey i'am from indonesian and i'am a muslim, can you add me friend in facebook my email ropik1493@gmail.com ..thank's moom, <br />i want to know development of Islam in world..Sepakbola Indohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06442376225663406394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-18615482327056615042012-01-02T15:35:36.615+11:002012-01-02T15:35:36.615+11:00jahangir
Thanks for your note. Happy New Year!
I...jahangir<br /><br />Thanks for your note. Happy New Year!<br /><br />I hope your organisation raises money quickly because the building is looking a bit tragic after all the decades since 1889. I hope the prayer hall is beautifully restored, but also the library, archives and all the other facilities that a community centre needs.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-2762137157348674822012-01-02T06:46:58.487+11:002012-01-02T06:46:58.487+11:00I came across this blog whilst doing some research...I came across this blog whilst doing some research on Quilliam. The Abdullah Quilliam Society in Liverpool is in charge of the building and currently trying to secure funding to restore the mmosque and building to its orginal features. If you want to knwo more please contact the AQS c/o communicaltd@gmail.com The AQS website is currently being updated.jahangirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06120719551289066925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-11823936315657859772011-10-26T11:20:48.480+11:002011-10-26T11:20:48.480+11:00Rina
as far as I can tell, the image on the book i...Rina<br />as far as I can tell, the image on the book is the prayer space of the original Liverpool mosque, not a lecture hall. <br /><br />I hope you do get to visit the building which hasn't been used as a mosque since 1908. I wonder if the building has been bought and renovated yet.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-18028882454242789222011-10-26T00:48:06.024+11:002011-10-26T00:48:06.024+11:00hi Helen, that cover photo of the book of Islam in...hi Helen, that cover photo of the book of Islam in Victorian British is part of lecture hall of Liverpool Muslim Institute, isn't it?. I wonder if it still exist? I really want to go there someday...Pardon my English ...Rinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-15229105529526738892011-05-01T11:47:11.787+10:002011-05-01T11:47:11.787+10:00Anon
thank you :)
To be honest, I was very depende...Anon<br />thank you :)<br />To be honest, I was very dependent on the book Islam in Victorian Britain: The Life and Times of Abdullah Quilliam. Some stories just have to be told, don't they?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-13698997298127517202011-05-01T07:07:54.839+10:002011-05-01T07:07:54.839+10:00Brilliant post Helen. You write very clearly and l...Brilliant post Helen. You write very clearly and looked like a lot of research has gone into this!<br /><br />Thanks for sharing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-75297070190121781822011-02-01T11:18:16.299+11:002011-02-01T11:18:16.299+11:00Hermes
What a great title - The Infidel Within :...Hermes <br /><br />What a great title - The Infidel Within :) thank you for a terrific reference. <br /><br />One of the points that the article made was that Dr GW Leitner from the University of Punjab in Lahore had already established the mosque in Woking in 1889, largely for students from the Sub Continent. But it wasn't until the Liverpool community moved down there that the Woking mosque became vital and energetic.<br /><br />J Bar,<br />I love it too :)Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-78576250780216244872011-02-01T07:51:19.376+11:002011-02-01T07:51:19.376+11:00This is very interesting.This is very interesting.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16361781616939928650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-46613228829857425942011-01-31T22:47:59.219+11:002011-01-31T22:47:59.219+11:00PM Doolan,
I don't think there is a surprise ...PM Doolan,<br /><br />I don't think there is a surprise in not knowing all of British and European history. My education was good, but how much can you squash into undergradate and post grad degrees? <br /><br />No, the question is which bits of history are left out? and which historical questions are not asked?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-78267005012135838612011-01-31T20:50:30.565+11:002011-01-31T20:50:30.565+11:00This is one fascintaing post. Thanks Helen.This is one fascintaing post. Thanks Helen.P. M. Doolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16673509230835222713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-80398215517125950492011-01-31T10:42:11.501+11:002011-01-31T10:42:11.501+11:00Emm,
great link to Wissy's blog - the images...Emm, <br /><br />great link to Wissy's blog - the images of the cemetery are very peaceful. Wissy said that the Muslim Burial Ground was built in 1917 when many troops from the Empire were fighting in France during WW1. <br /><br />How surreal is that? Only 20 years after Quilliam was being roundly criticised for religious treachery _inside_ Britain, Britain was delighted when so many loyal men and brave came from across the Empire to fight in Europe. I wonder how many of these heroic young soldiers were Muslim?Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-74333626344037509192011-01-31T10:18:12.064+11:002011-01-31T10:18:12.064+11:00Shahid,
Thank you for those points - it must have...Shahid,<br /><br />Thank you for those points - it must have been very difficult for Qulliam religiously, but particularly politically. Even now I wonder where else he might have got his support from, so as not to have been politically unpopular inside Britain.<br /><br />The fact that that Turkey was in the opposite camp in WWI didn't make any difference to Quilliam in the 1890s and right up to 1908. He could not have known that the Ottoman Empire was going to fall apart, nor could he have predicted what side of WW1 Turkey would be on.<br /><br />I think people with a true mission often have a tough time during their own lifetime.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-78882544491000639382011-01-31T10:06:21.388+11:002011-01-31T10:06:21.388+11:00John,
I am not strong on early 13th century histor...John,<br />I am not strong on early 13th century history. But there were two important differences. All of Europe was Catholic then, with no fiercely Protestant countries defending their religious turf against the Pope. And in any case King John offered to change the country to Islam to cement a military alliance, not because he was convinced of the superiority of Islam. <br /><br />But your point is a great one. History isn't part of a vast eternal plan. Life changing decisions seem to be scattered, unpredictable and difficult to decipher.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-43746319199397727722011-01-31T02:28:10.030+11:002011-01-31T02:28:10.030+11:00What a fascinating post! I lived in Liverpool fro...What a fascinating post! I lived in Liverpool from 1978 to 1982 and considering the ignorance shown at that time, I had no idea there had been a population of Muslims in the area. I used to get called the most horrendous of names simply because I was born in South Africa. What am I saying? The ignorance perseveres to this day.<br /><br />I have long been wanting to visit the Muslim cemetary in Woking. Here are some photos that a fellow blogger took recently: http://wissyweb.blogspot.com/2010/02/muslim-cemetary.htmlMandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931248631361366673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-40476779109578179822011-01-30T22:46:50.765+11:002011-01-30T22:46:50.765+11:00The other journal was the Muslim World.
Islamic R...The other journal was the Muslim World. <br />Islamic Review has had several changes of name. Its original name was Islamic Review and Muslim India.<br /><br />Quilliam's problem was that when Sultan of Turkey visited the UK he gave Quilliam the title of Sheikh ul Islam. Considering that Turkey was in the opposite camp in WWI this did not help. He was appointed Amir of Muslims in England by the ruler of Afghanistan. <br /><br />From propagation point of view he received support from a small Islamic missionary organisation based in India called the Ahmadiyya Movement. Advertisements in its English journal The Review of Religions appeared for Quilliam's two journals and appeals that Muslims should support his efforts.<br /><br />The fact that the Ahmadiyya Movement was confronting Christian missionaries in India head-on and were severely critical of many aspects of the teaching in the Testaments did not help either.<br /><br />Quilliam was in a difficult position. What should he do? As a lawyer I am sometimes faced by the same thing when some discrepancy is found in my client's claim/defence. Do I ignore it and hope for the best or do I meet it head-on and suffer the consequences?<br /><br />Most of the time I meet the things head-on and suffer the consequences. This was what Quilliam did. I can't see what choice he had.<br /><br />For more information on the Woking Muslim Mission, please see<br /><br />http://www.wokingmuslim.org/<br /><br />Also of interest for those who preach mutual peaceful co-exitence is <br /><br />www.virtualmosque.co.ukAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01838763242916695131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-34665732408239394442011-01-30T22:37:41.639+11:002011-01-30T22:37:41.639+11:00I apologise if I am wandering off the subject, but...I apologise if I am wandering off the subject, but I remember reading somewhere about King John of England having a blazing row with the Pope. The Pope threatened to excomunicate England and King John threatened to convert England to Islam. I believe they both eventually stood down. I wander if John would have gone through with it. Probably not, but intriguing alternative history time lines spring to mind nonetheless.John Hopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495250254811460833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-4740140696000261052011-01-30T09:21:01.133+11:002011-01-30T09:21:01.133+11:00John
I think Quilliam was on a hiding to nothing, ...John<br />I think Quilliam was on a hiding to nothing, as we say. If he behaved as if Islam was just a slightly different shade of Anglicanism doing Good Works, he would have had no impact. <br /><br />If he stressed that millions of people in the British Empire were already Muslims, as he did, he would have been seen as a political radical.<br /><br />If he did a critique of Christian theology, he would (and did) infuriate the Liverpool church goers.<br /><br />I wonder what Quilliam could have done differently.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-13006879269028076732011-01-30T08:47:26.939+11:002011-01-30T08:47:26.939+11:00What an extraordinary, though fascinating story. I...What an extraordinary, though fascinating story. It is depressing however, to see Islam treated with the same bewilderment in the Britain of the nineteenth century as it is today.John Hopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495250254811460833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-58811067273522111402011-01-30T00:18:15.400+11:002011-01-30T00:18:15.400+11:00Shahid
thanks for that detailed response. I will l...Shahid<br />thanks for that detailed response. I will look at the first issue first. Could the monthly journal have been The Islamic World, rather than the Islamic Review?<br /><br />Re Lord Stanley, I certainly did know he was the first Muslim member of the House of Lords. But since I couldn't remember when Stanley's conversion occurred, I didn't remember if it was before or after W.A Quilliam (who converted in 1882). It turns out that Lord Stanley converted a few decades earlier, in 1862.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.com