tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post2045211740217367145..comments2024-03-28T22:50:02.315+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: Ned Kelly collections in VictoriaHelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-81526664024197221872019-05-18T00:37:21.313+10:002019-05-18T00:37:21.313+10:00Hilary
That is true for all of us.. and the older...Hilary<br /><br />That is true for all of us.. and the older I get, the less I remember. Just of well all my old lecture notes are still intact. <br /><br />Talking of thinking that Ned Kelly was probably an American, mistakes like that also happen all the time. My closest American friend, a very educated woman, believed that Florence Nightingale was an American who worked with soldiers in the American Civil War. And another friend wrote about Emperor Napoleon being French but living out the last few years of his life imprisoned in the USA.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-45304646084885091632019-05-18T00:14:06.995+10:002019-05-18T00:14:06.995+10:00Hi Hels ... my ignorance is pretty huge - I suspec...Hi Hels ... my ignorance is pretty huge - I suspect I'd have said Ned Kelly was American ... but then I'd have been guessing and wondering. I knew nothing about his history - so have learnt a lot here. I too would like to visit the Beechworth and its museums, Glenrowan and the area surrounding the two towns. I'm glad he's been reburied back in the family plot - ghastly times, yet we're 'lucky' we can find out what happened (mainly) ... thanks for this - cheers HilaryHilary Melton-Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596532480645510678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-54913909431086014632019-05-17T10:39:05.931+10:002019-05-17T10:39:05.931+10:00Very cute, Parnassus :)
Two days before this post...Very cute, Parnassus :)<br /><br />Two days before this post was scheduled to appear, I noticed the Ashlee Aldridge article in the ABC News, a very reputable news outlet. There was no reason to doubt the story's validity, so I very pleased to add it into the "Ned Kelly collections in Victoria" post.<br /><br />Many thanks for your long email which I will forward to Aldridge. I will remove the photo of the brass box, until confirmation of the object arrives or otherwise.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-70863161628836132252019-05-17T04:48:20.374+10:002019-05-17T04:48:20.374+10:00Hi Hels, Ha, ha--that is a good one: "I will...Hi Hels, Ha, ha--that is a good one: "I will chase up the engraving." This is why I love art historians who write blogs! --JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-80341946314283307982019-05-16T21:32:47.998+10:002019-05-16T21:32:47.998+10:00Andrew
That is always true for a subject we know ...Andrew<br /><br />That is always true for a subject we know so well that we don't even question our knowledge-base *nod*. The British, for example, believe they know everything there is to know about Churchill.<br /><br />Now I have new questions about the widow Ann Jones and her eight children. Which side were they on - the Kelly Gang's or the police's? How many policemen lived in the Inn? Of the eight Jones children, how many died during the Glenrowan In Fire or in the year after? etc etcHelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-55312662316027911452019-05-16T20:43:22.730+10:002019-05-16T20:43:22.730+10:00I thought I knew it all about Kelly, but I did not...I thought I knew it all about Kelly, but I did not. There is always something new to learn. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-65003720971081487352019-05-15T23:03:48.202+10:002019-05-15T23:03:48.202+10:00Sue
Capital punishment was an obscenity. Yet the ...Sue<br /><br />Capital punishment was an obscenity. Yet the Kelly family had been denied access to Ned and couldn't help with his defence. So sister Maggie Skillion had difficulty in raising the money to pay Ned's lawyer. He was tried for the murder of Constable Thomas Lonigan at Stringybark Creek on 29th Oct 1880, found guilty, sentenced to death and hanged at the Melbourne Gaol on 11th Nov 1880. Worst of all, Ned Kelly's counsel had no right of appeal!<br /><br />On the other side, a shoot-out in 1878 between the gang and police saw three policemen killed. Later that year, the Kelly gang ran major robberies of the National Banks at Euroa and Jerilderie where they terrorised the police and civilian hostages. In June 1880 a friend-turned-police informer was shot and killed. And 70 civilians were held hostage at the Glenrowan Inn. Everyone was heartbroken for the widows and orphans of those policemen etc.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-12137676841660670282019-05-15T20:56:38.238+10:002019-05-15T20:56:38.238+10:00I have never been to Beechworth, OR Glenrowan, but...I have never been to Beechworth, OR Glenrowan, but I’d like to. I wonder if you can get to Beechworth by train? Must look it up. I’ve only seen the display at the State Library - which, incidentally, was founded by Redmond Barry, Ned’s judge. From all I’ve read, Barry was not the villain he has been painted. He gave a large chunk of his salary to the poor. <br /><br />Some years ago, I had a Year 8 student who was related to Ned Kelly, not sure what the exact relationship was, but when we took the kids on an excursion to the State Library, he was very excited about the armour. <br /><br />I think a while back they got some lawyers to run the original Ned Kelly trial and concluded that his trial had been unfair. On the other hand, there are still descendants of the police he killed, who are angry that he has been made a hero. Who knows? <br /><br />Personally, I’m hoping his missing skull will turn up! Sue Bursztynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362273418897882971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-63758016711861918962019-05-15T11:18:46.426+10:002019-05-15T11:18:46.426+10:00mem
Thank you. I am glad you mentioned the Jerild...mem<br /><br />Thank you. I am glad you mentioned the Jerilderie letter because, when Ned Kelly dictated it in 1879, it became the most eloquent expression of his anger and his betrayed sense of justice. Wayyy too long to copy into a blog post, the letter focused on the gang's innocence and the terrible conditions of the poor Irish selectors in rural Victoria.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-31697130105307671282019-05-15T11:09:34.879+10:002019-05-15T11:09:34.879+10:00Parnassus
I love gold-rush history as well. Howev...Parnassus<br /><br />I love gold-rush history as well. However the Gold Rush literally started in 1851 and was all over bar the shouting by the late 1860s. Thus the only connection to the Kelly Gang was the creation of the Ned Kelly Vault next to the Burke Memorial Museum in Beechworth. By the late 1860s, all the gold diggers had changed careers or left central Victoria. Ned Kelly (1855-80)'s short career was only as a bush ranger.<br /><br />While the brass box looks authentic, you might be correct about the dating of the engraving. I will chase it up.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-79118427328421238412019-05-15T11:01:57.269+10:002019-05-15T11:01:57.269+10:00I am a bit ambivalent about Ned and his family . I...I am a bit ambivalent about Ned and his family . In reading the biography of his mother entitled Mr Kelly you realize how badly the Irish Catholics were regarded and I guess when you treat people with contempt and they have limited opportunity this is what can be the result . <br />I certainly don't see him as heroic in the sense that he was a criminal but his awareness and his ability t articulate his rage is unusual in a local yokel . I think that is the things that makes him difference . His Jerilderie letter is quite a document for someone who cam from such a deprived background . On another note, a distant relative of mine Samuel Lazarus, was foreman of the jury at his trial and a direct appeal to him by Mrs Kelly was treated with contempt by him . Again mixed feelings :( . Makes you realize what a small place victoria was in those days. memhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05520080648914042943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-13828530027499654412019-05-15T05:09:50.406+10:002019-05-15T05:09:50.406+10:00Hello Hels, I love gold-rush era artifacts and in...Hello Hels, I love gold-rush era artifacts and information from any place, and I think this museum looks like a lot of fun, although perhaps a bit of a tourist trap. Australia certainly had its days of excitement, fully equal to the U.S.'s "Old West". I am a little suspicious of the engraved box--I hope that it has been professionally examined to rule out an added inscription. Also, are there similar boxes known that were given on equivalent occasions?<br />--JimParnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-17047269246003805522019-05-14T21:38:10.530+10:002019-05-14T21:38:10.530+10:00Ex Pat
I don't know either. So I will quote I...Ex Pat<br /><br />I don't know either. So I will quote IronOutlaw:<br /><br />Ned Kelly’s family were Irish, and historically the Catholic Irish had had a very hard time at the hands of the Protestant English. Many Irish people had emigrated to Australia because the English had destroyed their homes and forced them out of England. The Kelly family was further looked down upon because father Red Kelly was also a convict.<br /><br />Ned Kelly was only seen as a villain by the upper classes. His sympathisers in the lower classes were treated very badly, being held without charges or trial. They weren’t allowed to take up land holdings in the region, to get them out of N-E Victoria. The police were trying to discourage support of Ned Kelly within the lower classes. Their efforts weren’t successful, as 30,000 Victorians signed a petition sympathetic to Ned, to stop him from being hanged. Note that the majority of people receiving a share of the reward money for the capture of the Kelly Gang were either in the police force, railways employees or native trackers hired by the police.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-42377387225773529152019-05-14T20:36:17.739+10:002019-05-14T20:36:17.739+10:00I always thought Ned Kelly was mostly a petty crim...I always thought Ned Kelly was mostly a petty criminal and rustler, then later a murderer. So where did the notion of him being a peoples hero come from?Ex Patnoreply@blogger.com