tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post1075867810520453199..comments2024-03-29T15:04:20.549+11:00Comments on ART and ARCHITECTURE, mainly: Leo and Gertrude Stein, salonieres or collectors?Helshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-63413737309683709982011-11-14T16:42:18.096+11:002011-11-14T16:42:18.096+11:00Chris,
welcome back :)
There had always been an a...Chris,<br />welcome back :)<br /><br />There had always been an active cultural life for royalty, the nobility and the wealthy upper classes who could afford concerts, opera, cultural salons and theatre. <br /><br />The thing about the Belle Epoque was that it opened up the possibilities to the ordinary middle classes - wine bars, galleries, music halls, cabarets, ballet, operettas, concerts in the parks etc. Even, as Degas and Lautrec showed, horse racing and can can girls without knickers on.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-24466523904882512052011-11-14T14:36:25.106+11:002011-11-14T14:36:25.106+11:00What a life, as you say, in the hoppingest and jum...What a life, as you say, in the hoppingest and jump ingest cultural centre of the time. Probably globalization has ruined the possibility of other such times/places forever.ChrisJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13139508470517226199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-49167150124078687312011-11-14T10:22:49.627+11:002011-11-14T10:22:49.627+11:00Dr Doolan
Leo lived in Rue de Fleurus from 1903 u...Dr Doolan<br /><br />Leo lived in Rue de Fleurus from 1903 until either 1912 or 1914 (depends which evidence you accept). So he shared his home with Gertrude for a very long time.<br /><br />Alice B Toklas moved into the same flat in 1910. So Leo shared it with Gertrude AND Alice for at least two years, possibly four.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-9690105812751838262011-11-14T07:23:23.360+11:002011-11-14T07:23:23.360+11:00I had no idea that Leo had shared the apartment wi...I had no idea that Leo had shared the apartment with Gertrude before Alice moved in. Wonderful post - very informative.P. M. Doolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16673509230835222713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-53748650009969533092011-11-14T02:57:29.264+11:002011-11-14T02:57:29.264+11:00Leon and Sue
I normally consider the Belle Epoque...Leon and Sue<br /><br />I normally consider the Belle Epoque to extend from the Franco-Prussian War (1871) and Baron Haussman's work, at one end, to World War 1 or later at the other end. As long as a family had a halfway decent income, Paris in particular must have seen as educated, cultivated, artistic and musical.<br /><br />No wonder you two love visiting!! Imagine how the Steins, Picasso, Modigliani, Chagall, Hemingway and all the other foreigners felt, when they visited and stayed *sighs happily*Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-25517930789081854222011-11-13T21:44:10.765+11:002011-11-13T21:44:10.765+11:00Hels,
I enjoyed your post, especially after watchi...Hels,<br />I enjoyed your post, especially after watching the Woody Allen directed and produced, "Midnight in Paris". We will enjoy our fifth trip back to Paris next May with renewed knowledge. Hopefully this time I will get to see Picasso musee.<br />Thanks.<br />LeonLeon Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17609891995057827081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-42248550883083293962011-11-13T00:24:32.119+11:002011-11-13T00:24:32.119+11:00Jane and Lance,
agreed totally. The Steins' g...Jane and Lance,<br /><br />agreed totally. The Steins' greatest contribution was to act as conduits between experienced artists, new artists, collectors and galleries. <br /><br />Of course they were fortunate that they arrived in Paris when it was the hoppingest and jumpingest cultural centre in the entire universe. But still... they DID put their reputation on the line by associating themselves with the avant garde.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-72627854306529863202011-11-13T00:17:31.754+11:002011-11-13T00:17:31.754+11:00Joseph
We know a GREAT deal about Leo's colle...Joseph<br /><br />We know a GREAT deal about Leo's collecting and patronage until 1914, then whoosh, he disappeared into the wilds of Italy. <br /><br />Either he didn't like Alice B Toklas living in the family's private space OR Gertrude didn't like Leo's new lady love (and later wife) OR there was simply an irreconcilable difference on the subject of cubism. I personally think Leo thought Gertrude was a bad writer and a self-centred bore.<br /><br />After 1914 Leo and Gertrude never spoke to each other again! So the little I know about Leo from then on comes from the books he wrote on art criticism. Despite Gertrude's dismissal of Leo's intelligence, he turned out to be a clever man after all.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-17384435132421348692011-11-12T23:43:30.947+11:002011-11-12T23:43:30.947+11:00Hermes
I think the role of the saloniere in the l...Hermes<br /><br />I think the role of the saloniere in the late 18th and throughout the 19th century was devalued a bit because the salons were run by educated, upper class women who weren't allowed to work, so they did Good Works instead.<br /><br />But where would Wilhelm and Carl Philipp Bach have been, without Sara Itzig Levy's Berlin salon? What would have happened to Bizet and Proust, without Geneviève Halévy Straus in Paris? Same for Gustav Klimt, Josef Hoffmann, Gustav Mahler, Arthur Schnitzler, Max Reinhardt and others without Berta Zuckerkandl in Vienna!<br /><br />Good taste and excellent connections *nod*.Helshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02849907428208235392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-41124105499739420092011-11-12T20:34:44.533+11:002011-11-12T20:34:44.533+11:00Hello Helen:
We have always been fascinated by the...Hello Helen:<br />We have always been fascinated by the idea of 'salon parties' and so the Steins are a source of great intrigue. We have read your most detailed account with great interest and feel that perhaps the Steins greater role was to act as catalysts, as conduits between artists, collectors, gallerists etc. bringing the modern art of the day into the mainstream, rather than true collectors. In this respect, we see that so many contemporary artists in Hungary suffer from a lack of patronage meaning that only the same names reappear on gallery walls. Oh that we had the income to be the 'Steins' of Budapest!Jane and Lance Hattatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831890261259302647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-9176299130785565172011-11-12T20:00:50.232+11:002011-11-12T20:00:50.232+11:00Whst hsppened to Leo after he left Paris? Did he e...Whst hsppened to Leo after he left Paris? Did he ever get back together with Gertrude? Did he continue with his art career in Italy?Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-13046853044758154472011-11-12T18:12:24.576+11:002011-11-12T18:12:24.576+11:00Sorry and she got Hemingway spot on to my mind!Sorry and she got Hemingway spot on to my mind!Hermeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968366076064269729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3067098918914268503.post-51807826815892561442011-11-12T18:11:27.278+11:002011-11-12T18:11:27.278+11:00"Hemingway, remarks are not literature"...."Hemingway, remarks are not literature".<br /><br />Not my area Helen but I always thought of Gertrude as a sort of glossy magazine. They knew everybody in those artistic circle, collected what are now important works and allowed ideas to circulate. They also had good taste to my mind.Hermeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968366076064269729noreply@blogger.com